Post: #1

NY Times article states that there are expected to be 30 million men in China who will never marry because of lack of women (one child policy, combined with preference for boys, led to the problem.) One economist drew disapproval for suggesting women marry more than one man.

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2015...lors/?_r=0

I see implications with the possibility of China invading other Asian countries to provide "war booty" (pardon the expression.)

Thoughts?

Post: #2

(10-27-2015 12:23 PM)mammal Wrote:  NY Times article states that there are expected to be 30 million men in China who will never marry because of lack of women (one child policy, combined with preference for boys, led to the problem.) One economist drew disapproval for suggesting women marry more than one man.

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2015...lors/?_r=0

I see implications with the possibility of China invading other Asian countries to provide "war booty" (pardon the expression.)

Thoughts?

Wouldn't be a problem for this forum.

After you bang em on Thursday, let the other guy deal with the BS on Friday.

For a lot of us banging chicks in 2015, that's essentially what's going on, but we turn a blind eye.

Better than being the dude sitting at home alone right?

WIA

Post: #3

Sometimes you can ponder deep societal problems and formulate theories and solutions to fix them.

Sometimes you just have to accept that life is a cunt.

Post: #4

Those 30 million men are mostly the poor, disenfranchised farmers in the hopeless, depopulating countryside or equally poor migrant workers. They have no power, no influence, no lobby, and they are not organized in any way. And the Chinese government will make sure it stays that way.

If they happen to be lucky and live close to the border to an even poorer country, such as Laos, Vietnam, or North Korea, they can spend their life savings on buying a wife, as is already practiced now.
(Yes, buying one, usually they are treated more like property than like wifes.)
More openminded or adventurous ones might take up construction jobs in the new African colonies partner countries and take African wifes, a practice that has also been on the rise during the recent past.

Otherwise, nothing will happen.
Those 30 million guys simply got screwed by the system and their culture. Wrong time, wrong place. They´ll grow old and die. That´s it.

Post: #5

Sex selection, which is more or less allowed, is a form of population control on top of the one child policy. China's population is going to be almost halved in the next 100 years. China is going to single-haldedly suck up millions of filipino caregivers for their aging population in the next few decades, some of those are going to marry locals and transfer the imbalance back to The Islands.

It's a very drastic measure but for countries like China and India, the alternative would have been far worse. China would never have been able to develop if it didn't reign in its population. If you look at the Syrian refugee crisis, their explosive population growth over the last few decades is one major factor. Basically kids marrying at 18 and having 5 or 6 kids who them marry at 18 and have another large family...

Going forward, Africa is the main problem with that pattern, Nigeria's population is set to surge past the US' in just a few decades.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-develo...on-us-2050

Post: #6

^^ Wow. I didn't realize Nigeria had such high population density...or any African country. They already have 175 million.

Post: #7

^Another argument for keeping the military strong and the borders tight. Not only for the US but for any country if you don't want to be overrun by poor, uneducated and aggressive refugees.

Post: #8

Or promote stability and economic growth in sub-Saharan Africa. The problem is that this is a difficult proposition in resource-rich countries like the Congo or Nigeria (though others like Angola or Gabon are faring much better). To make a full circle on the thread topic, China's influence on the black continent has been largely positive, because they compete with the traditional and newer western colonial powers for their resources and their resource extraction model involves building local infrastructures as opposed to just pumping cash into corrupt pockets and putting countries in debt, World Bank/IMF-style.

(10-27-2015 01:24 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ^Another argument for keeping the military strong and the borders tight. Not only for the US but for any country if you don't want to be overrun by poor, uneducated and aggressive refugees.

If it wasn't for the "strong military" policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, there wouldn't be that much of a refugee crisis in Europe. When Saddam was in power in Iraq, there were a lot of expat civilian engineers and professionals from Europe working there in addition to locals living well and having no need to emigrate.

Post: #9

(10-27-2015 03:04 PM)MTLer Wrote:  Or promote stability and economic growth in sub-Saharan Africa. The problem is that this is a difficult proposition in resource-rich countries like the Congo or Nigeria (though others like Angola or Gabon are faring much better). To make a full circle on the thread topic, China's influence on the black continent has been largely positive, because they compete with the traditional and newer western colonial powers for their resources and their resource extraction model involves building local infrastructures as opposed to just pumping cash into corrupt pockets and putting countries in debt, World Bank/IMF-style.

(10-27-2015 01:24 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ^Another argument for keeping the military strong and the borders tight. Not only for the US but for any country if you don't want to be overrun by poor, uneducated and aggressive refugees.

If it wasn't for the "strong military" policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, there wouldn't be that much of a refugee crisis in Europe. When Saddam was in power in Iraq, there were a lot of expat civilian engineers and professionals from Europe working there in addition to locals living well and having no need to emigrate.

Or even better: do whatever the fuck you wanna do in the middle east and Africa, but just don't let the fuckers into your country. All it takes is will, there is no additional investment necessary to prevent masses of illiterate peasants who can't even succeed in not shitting themselves from entering.

How long did it take fucking Hungary (for Chrissakes!) to completely close its borders and makes itself impermeable to the "unstoppable" wave of immigration? A few weeks/months?

Post: #10

(10-27-2015 03:04 PM)MTLer Wrote:  Or promote stability and economic growth in sub-Saharan Africa. The problem is that this is a difficult proposition in resource-rich countries like the Congo or Nigeria (though others like Angola or Gabon are faring much better). To make a full circle on the thread topic, China's influence on the black continent has been largely positive, because they compete with the traditional and newer western colonial powers for their resources and their resource extraction model involves building local infrastructures as opposed to just pumping cash into corrupt pockets and putting countries in debt, World Bank/IMF-style.

I disagree, I can't speak about other African countries but at least in Angola I know the population doesn't like the Chinese at all. All the infrastructure they're building they're doing it with their own imported Chinese manpower and this infrastructure is extremely low quality, even for African standards. Basically they're not adding value to the country, they're just taking natural resources while paying off the corrupt government, so yes, they're just as bad as their predecessors, actually worst because never a country as taken so many resources so fast.

I imagine it's the same in the rest of the continent, so no, the Chinese influence has not been largely positive, unless you're a government official.

Post: #11

(10-27-2015 03:04 PM)MTLer Wrote:  If it wasn't for the "strong military" policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, there wouldn't be that much of a refugee crisis in Europe. When Saddam was in power in Iraq, there were a lot of expat civilian engineers and professionals from Europe working there in addition to locals living well and having no need to emigrate.

I mean keeping a strong army to defend own borders, not to invade other countries.

Post: #12

The Chinese are the natural Empire leaders of East Asia. They have subjects - SEA, Central Asia, North Korea.

Here in NE China some poor farmers marry run away North Korean girls.

I've read that girls from Myanmar go over to southern Yunnan, Xishaungbanna. I've heard the same about Vietnamese marrying into Chinese families.

There are women around China that will marry in. The poorest farmers won't marry. All the women will marry up, if just slightly at least.

Post: #13

(10-27-2015 03:28 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 03:04 PM)MTLer Wrote:  Or promote stability and economic growth in sub-Saharan Africa. The problem is that this is a difficult proposition in resource-rich countries like the Congo or Nigeria (though others like Angola or Gabon are faring much better). To make a full circle on the thread topic, China's influence on the black continent has been largely positive, because they compete with the traditional and newer western colonial powers for their resources and their resource extraction model involves building local infrastructures as opposed to just pumping cash into corrupt pockets and putting countries in debt, World Bank/IMF-style.

(10-27-2015 01:24 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ^Another argument for keeping the military strong and the borders tight. Not only for the US but for any country if you don't want to be overrun by poor, uneducated and aggressive refugees.

If it wasn't for the "strong military" policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, there wouldn't be that much of a refugee crisis in Europe. When Saddam was in power in Iraq, there were a lot of expat civilian engineers and professionals from Europe working there in addition to locals living well and having no need to emigrate.

Or even better: do whatever the fuck you wanna do in the middle east and Africa, but just don't let the fuckers into your country. All it takes is will, there is no additional investment necessary to prevent masses of illiterate peasants who can't even succeed in not shitting themselves from entering.

How long did it take fucking Hungary (for Chrissakes!) to completely close its borders and makes itself impermeable to the "unstoppable" wave of immigration? A few weeks/months?

One big problem is these places are breeding grounds for the worst diseases imaginable. If you let the population get big and everyone's getting infected then eventually it will spread. It's how diseases like AIDS and Ebola came to the US.

Post: #14

Interesting, especially when contrasted to the supposed problem in the US according to our media, which is that there is a lack of 'educated' men to match the 'educated' women.

Whereas in China there is a literal shortage of women to men, here the issue is that the masculine office chubster can't find her prince charming. I guess that's a prime example of 'first world problems'.

Speaking of, five or so years ago I had a few week fling with a cute 25 year old who wouldn't shut up about her masters degree and how she needs to settle down with someone who has at least a masters degree. Fast forward to the present and she's 25 or so pounds heavier without a husband in sight.

Perhaps part of immigration reform would be to send our dumpy, bitter office women to China's countryside?

Post: #15

(10-28-2015 10:03 AM)CRR Wrote:  Interesting, especially when contrasted to the supposed problem in the US according to our media, which is that there is a lack of 'educated' men to match the 'educated' women.

Whereas in China there is a literal shortage of women to men, here the issue is that the masculine office chubster can't find her prince charming. I guess that's a prime example of 'first world problems'.

Speaking of, five or so years ago I had a few week fling with a cute 25 year old who wouldn't shut up about her masters degree and how she needs to settle down with someone who has at least a masters degree. Fast forward to the present and she's 25 or so pounds heavier without a husband in sight.

Perhaps part of immigration reform would be to send our dumpy, bitter office women to China's countryside?

I think that the Chinese men would prefer to remain virgins their entire lives.

Post: #16

There will be an impact on society for sure but do you guys think it'll turn violent? It's a possibility but I think it's just as equally probably that a lot of these men go the herbivore route like a good part of Japanese men are doing right now.

Post: #17

They're all playing 'World of Warcraft'. It's so bad, that there are boot camps to ween all the young guys off the internet.

Post: #18

(10-29-2015 01:36 AM)Wutang Wrote:  There will be an impact on society for sure but do you guys think it'll turn violent? It's a possibility but I think it's just as equally probably that a lot of these men go the herbivore route like a good part of Japanese men are doing right now.

30 million usexed, unvalidated, unsocialized men is a very, very, very dangerous thing.

A social engineering failure of this scale has the potential to undo a nation. If these numbers are true, China has a massive problem on it's hands that I only see as having one solution: A massive, long, protracted, bloody war.

Post: #19

China just ended its two child rule. Probably won't change much.

If those Chinese guys are able to travel they can hit up Africa, there's way more women than men in most countries there.

If not, they'll die alone. There won't be a war. Real wars will be fought with drones, these 30 million men aren't even necessary for that.

Post: #20

Why is China ending it's one child policy
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-...story.html

China will abandon its one-child policy after 35 years and allow all couples to have two children, authorities announced Thursday as they unveiled the outlines of the country’s next five-year economic plan.

The one-child policy was implemented in 1980 to control the country’s explosive population growth. China says the law has prevented 400 million births, but even so, China is the world’s most populous nation, with more than 1.3 billion people.

In recent decades, that massive population combined with rapid industrialization and urbanization have led to severe strains on natural resources, including water, and contributed significantly to problems such as air pollution.

So why would China want to encourage more families to have babies? Here’s a look at the situation:


What is the one-child policy?

Thirty-five years ago, as China was just beginning its era of reform and opening to the rest of the world, Communist Party leaders became concerned that overpopulation would stunt economic growth and overtax resources. It adopted regulations to limit the majority of families to having one child — though there were numerous exceptions. For example, minorities, fishermen and some handicapped people were allowed to have more than one child; local officials had substantial discretion to allow second births. Families who weren’t exempt from the policy had to pay fines if they had a second or third child — or face other punishments. Many who violated the rules were harassed, lost their jobs or even had their children taken from them. Many critics of the policy have called its implementation inhumane.


Didn’t China already loosen the policy?

More than a decade ago, some local governments began allowing couples who were both only children to have a second child. Then, in 2013, China decided to allow all couples to have a second child if either parent was a single child. The National Health and Family Planning Commission said China recorded 16.9 million births in 2014, up 470,000 from 2013, which showed the new policy was having some effect. But the number of couples wanting to have a second child has been lower than many demographers expected. By May 2015, only 1.45 million couples — out of 11 million eligible ones — had applied to have a second child. Like many couples in the West, a fair number of Chinese couples — particularly in urban areas — have decided that having a second child is too expensive or too much trouble.

“It is sensible for countries to have explicit policies on reproduction just as they do on carbon emissions and other phenomena that affect the population on a large scale. China’s one-child policy was a logical choice at the time, though perhaps crudely enforced. Without it, China might have faced catastrophe,” said Anna Smajdor, a reproduction and childbirth ethics expert at the University of East Anglia in England.

“However, increasing the child quota is unlikely to work in rebalancing China’s aging population because China, like everywhere else, is looking at a low birth rate, especially among affluent, well-educated women.”

Still, an unscientific survey of users on the Chinese social media platform Weibo, conducted Thursday night, showed 62% of 30,000 respondents saying they would like to have a second child.


Why is China concerned about the declining birthrate?

China’s population is still growing, but unless the birthrate increases — it’s now about 1.18 children for every couple — the number of Chinese is expected to peak between 2020 and 2030. (China’s birthrate is lower than the global average of 2.5 and the 1.7 average in developed countries; a rate of 2.1 children per couple is considered the “replacement” rate to keep the population steady.)

China’s working-age population — defined by the government as people between 16 and 59 — has dropped for three years in a row, according to the National Bureau of Statistics. It fell by 3.45 million in 2012, by 2.44 million in 2013 and 3.71 million in 2014. According to the United Nations, China’s pool of workers could shrink by 61 million by 2030.

Moreover, China’s cohort of workers is getting old. By 2050, 25% of China’s population will be over the age of 65, while the number of young people who can support the retiree set will have shrunk. China now has a 5-to-1 worker-to-retiree ratio; if the birthrate were to continue as is, the ratio would be only 1.6 to 1 by 2040, demographers predict.

Supporting retirees is one problem. Some economists also warn that a graying country likely means lower economic growth because retirees are not as voracious consumers as young people. Chinese leaders already are facing other downward pressures on economic growth as the country tries to move away from export-dependent factory jobs and heavy investment in infrastructure projects such as roads and airports.


Is allowing more births the only solution?

No. China could ease some of the economic strains of a declining working-age population by improving the average productivity of its workers, improving the efficiency of its markets, allowing in guest workers or immigrant workers, or raising the retirement age.

In a report this month, Beijing-based Cinda Securities cautioned that relaxing the one-child policy was not the catch-all solution to China’s economic strains. China should focus instead on improving the productivity of its laborers by boosting education, and improve efficiency by allowing markets to play a greater role in its economy, and improving the legal system.

Cinda also said the government should explore ways to give older people opportunities to work. China’s current retirement age is 55 for women and 60 for men. The government has proposed raising those limits, but only incrementally.

The firm warned that given China’s rapid economic development and rising standards of living, a loosening of restrictions might not be enough to prompt many more Chinese to have two children.

“Even if changes in government population policy could lead to increased birthrate and solve the ‘problem’ of the aging population, the country would face a new problem of a booming population,” the firm warned. “China already has a large population. … And more population growth will be a fatal trap for economic development because the country does not have enough resources.”

If China’s per-capita wealth reaches the level of, say, Italy or Greece, the firm added, “it would mean consuming a huge amount of resources. In attempting to produce more young people to solve the aging problem, we must think about what resources this added population would require. … Handling this is not easy to deal with.”

Post: #21

To help China, I say we, as the United States, should set up a program to Enable and Empower disadvantaged American women to gain a global perspective and seek better opportunities elsewhere.

We should offer women with an annual income under some arbitrary threshold, of say, $30,000, a free plane ticket and a stipend of some amount (say, $5,000) to go to China.

Since the disadvantaged in the United States are disproportionately People of Color, China would get a much needed injection of diversity.

Outside of the Sauron's Eye of white oppression, male patriarchy, and U.S. SES disadvantages, and since the True IQ-income correlation is zero (not that IQ is a Real Thing), these women should thrive in China.

And since the heritability of IQ is zero, any children these women have should be future rocket surgeons and brain scientists.

All these American women would have to do is to go, and renounce their American citizenship in return. The latter is actually to help them, so they don't have to pay American taxes, as they will certainly make over $90,000 once their Potential is Enabled.

China would surely welcome our sacrifice and generosity with open arms, right?

Right?

Post: #22

The best way to relax the one-child policy is to first allow couples who have one daughter to have a second child, this would eliminate most selective abortions and correct to some extent the sex imbalance. They could even allow a third child for couples with two daughters.

(10-27-2015 08:25 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 03:04 PM)MTLer Wrote:  Or promote stability and economic growth in sub-Saharan Africa. The problem is that this is a difficult proposition in resource-rich countries like the Congo or Nigeria (though others like Angola or Gabon are faring much better). To make a full circle on the thread topic, China's influence on the black continent has been largely positive, because they compete with the traditional and newer western colonial powers for their resources and their resource extraction model involves building local infrastructures as opposed to just pumping cash into corrupt pockets and putting countries in debt, World Bank/IMF-style.

I disagree, I can't speak about other African countries but at least in Angola I know the population doesn't like the Chinese at all. All the infrastructure they're building they're doing it with their own imported Chinese manpower and this infrastructure is extremely low quality, even for African standards. Basically they're not adding value to the country, they're just taking natural resources while paying off the corrupt government, so yes, they're just as bad as their predecessors, actually worst because never a country as taken so many resources so fast.

I imagine it's the same in the rest of the continent, so no, the Chinese influence has not been largely positive, unless you're a government official.

At the very least, China has been bidding up the resources and making the global marketplace for commodities more competitive, to the benefits of african countries, whereas previously the situation was one of tacit collaboration between western powers, carving up regions along old colonial lines.

The Chinese model of infrastructure for commodities is still better for Africa than cash&debt, because the cash get siphoned off and doesn't trickle down and the debt saddles the countries and results in foreign takeover of resources. Bad infrastructure is better than no infrastructure+debt.

Post: #23

(10-29-2015 08:48 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Real wars will be fought with drones, these 30 million men aren't even necessary for that.

What are the drones going to fight, other drones? And when one country runs out of drones it's declared the loser and the spoils get divvied up?

I agree that they will be getting used, but they will be killing people mate.

Post: #24

In my experience any hot Chinese woman is already seeing multiple guys (in the cities, at least).

I also didn't see any decent looking women in the countryside. Even when in a city of 5 million, it is still drained of most of the hot women who make their way to the big lights.

And yeah, for us guys it mostly doesn't matter. I know that the hot Chinese women I have banged have been seeing multiple guys. The last one even had three phones.

If I was ever looking for a relationship in China, I would find a girl I could groom. Someone who is a 7 and doesn't wear makeup and dresses like a 5 year old girl. Frizzy hair, split ends and everything. Then drop some health and beauty bombs on her and slowly make up your own living breathing doll.

Chinese women can be as loyal as dogs, or as crazy as cats.

Post: #25

(10-29-2015 09:38 PM)Laner Wrote:  Women can be as loyal as dogs, or as crazy as cats.

Words to live by.