(10-22-2015 02:59 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  I actually doubt that will happen. Too much to happen by then.

I also really don't buy the "we'll all be miscegenated" because mixed couples are the minority pretty much everywhere.

And actually, France And Sweden's maternity does work. The native birthrate is quite high. Below replacement but higher than most other places.

Please find some statistics that back up the claim that either system works effectively, as it would be good if it did. I have looked regarding whether the French system does work amongst French Catholic women, have looked far and wide (found the large percentage born in Paris region born prone to sickle cell and diseases rarely found in Europeans etc.), but on this point I cannot find any and French statistics do not cover race. Not sure but I don't think Swedish keep ethnicity statistics and approximately one-fifth of Sweden's population has a migrant background, obviously far heavier skewed to under 30s than the homogenous 'Hem til byn' over 65 age group.

Anyway, would love to be proven wrong on this...

https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/03/12...ment-16984

Numbers are links to sources.

I fear for Europe's culture and native ancestry. I hope this nonsense stops soon. Fight the good fight brothers over there.

(10-22-2015 03:32 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/03/12...ment-16984

Numbers are links to sources.

Ok, but odd how Denmark has generous benefits similar to Sweden but notably lower birthrate (1.7 to 1.9), Denmark also has lower ethnic diversity and a smaller foreign born percentage than Sweden even accounting for its smaller size. Ireland genuinely is a higher European birthrate due to cultural factors such as positive social acceptance of large families and the lack of abortion has kept it higher.

I have worked on demographic research at a prestigious university and the statistical fudging by academics of uncomfortable facts and statistics is shocking, almost as if many are in a state of denial if what they hope and wish to be the truth in their research models supporting government led programs will be the truth, whether or not it is actually working in the real world.

Like I say though, I don't want Europeans reading this shocked that while their capitals like London and Amsterdam are often touching majority non-native now, their whole countries will be the same in 50 years. If current birthrates and even the pre-Merkel migration trends were to continue.
But as many on this thread have said, a lot can happen in the next 50 years. And I never thought that dyed-in-the-wool liberal countries when I was young like Sweden and Netherlands would be supporting parties like SD and PfD.

Actually the non-native birthrate drops to around the same as the native birthrate in the second or third generation.

So in other words the native Europeans would still be the demographic majority, even with all the invaders on the continent now. The problem is twofold:

1. The "migration," legal and illegal, keeps continuing.
2. Even if it stopped today and the non-natives were only a minority, it would still cause a lot of problems, as we see in France and Sweden. The problems were relatively isolated before, but now they will spread all over Europe.

Which is why I think anti-political correctness will accelerate and the narrative's cracks will deepen. It's one thing to be politically correct when the problems are far away, when NIMBY becomes unavoidable, common sense will prevail. As GameNovice said, when your pretty blue and green eyed daughters, girlfriends, and sisters have to walk the streets and live near 1800 cultural enrichers, reality will hit hard.

Unfortunately the problems will be far worse by then and the choice between Camp of the Saints or Starship Troopers may be inevitable.

(10-22-2015 04:45 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Actually the non-native birthrate drops to around the same as the native birthrate in the second or third generation.

This is true when integration occurs, as it often did with the first post-war generation across Western Europe. I am good friends with many West Indians and the East Indians have also integrated well into the western patterns of family size and educational career aspiration in a Western style. But there are still many unexpected things to be found, such as the Bangladeshi women in UK having a noticeably higher fertility rate in UK than they have today in Bangladesh, also half of all the 450,000+ UK Bangladeshi community lives in London, mostly around just Tower Hamlets and Newham in the old East End so not really integration.

(10-22-2015 02:53 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:  Fellow Europeans on this thread please remember in tone that there is a very high probability that the Western and Northern European descendants and general population of those nations will be 'majority minority' within the next 200 years and will be brown and almost indistinguishable from the migrant groups now entering.

it is rather sad we will lose the genuine diversity of many recessive european features but you will have to get used to it, especially if you are a secular libertarian and will not commit to a family and producing the future generations of indigenous Europeans. A lot of the nonsense by academics and the media about the success of the high tax and high maternity benefits for mothers in Nordic countries is because like the French they have outsourced babies with the recent generation whereas Poland or Spain the low rate does genuinely reflect the actual statistics more honestly.

And before I am accused of trolling, do you really think anything else will happen with such huge differentials between native born and migrant birthrates, before even mentioning the huge and still increasing number of childless women in the west, almost 50% of UK female graduates are childless. The one man two kids model is not sustainable when 3 and 4 child European families are looked down upon by Europeans and are far rarer now as outliers than 1 or 0 child households.

MENA birthrates won't hold in Europe, unless they're completely denied access to contraceptives.

This swedish band actually predicted it almost 30 years ago.

The perfect soundtrack: Europe - The Final Countdown

I think the hordes are now 95% men.





Barbarian hordes are let in to come and destroy a higher more civilized culture. They are just coming without weapons.

Mohammed's barbarians attacked Persia back in the day thus conquering a superior culture via a large inferior, but united, more numerous and highly motivated force. Nowadays of course they know that conquest via weapons would end with all of them being dead, so they are coming over to conquer Europe and misuse the compassion of the brainwashed masses and the traitorous elite who let it happen.





You see the burnt camp. It seems to have worked that they let them go faster.

It's an unending stream of parasites.

(10-22-2015 04:31 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 03:32 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/03/12...ment-16984

Numbers are links to sources.

Ok, but odd how Denmark has generous benefits similar to Sweden but notably lower birthrate (1.7 to 1.9), Denmark also has lower ethnic diversity and a smaller foreign born percentage than Sweden even accounting for its smaller size. Ireland genuinely is a higher European birthrate due to cultural factors such as positive social acceptance of large families and the lack of abortion has kept it higher.

I have worked on demographic research at a prestigious university and the statistical fudging by academics of uncomfortable facts and statistics is shocking, almost as if many are in a state of denial if what they hope and wish to be the truth in their research models supporting government led programs will be the truth, whether or not it is actually working in the real world.

Like I say though, I don't want Europeans reading this shocked that while their capitals like London and Amsterdam are often touching majority non-native now, their whole countries will be the same in 50 years. If current birthrates and even the pre-Merkel migration trends were to continue.
But as many on this thread have said, a lot can happen in the next 50 years. And I never thought that dyed-in-the-wool liberal countries when I was young like Sweden and Netherlands would be supporting parties like SD and PfD.

You should post more about your knowledge of demographics.

I have lived in a couple of places which have undergone demographic replacement. Although the process is gradual, it does reach a point where the transformation is becomes exponential. The exponential function is caused by the fusion of the immigration explosion and higher birthrates and the implosion of indigenous birthrates. The first wave of immigrants and their children then aspire to the lifestyles and wages of the natives and are therefore also replaced by further waves of high fertility, cheap labour. Thus the process is compounded.

London is majority non-British now. It only took a few decades of state-sponsored population replacement for this to happen. There are many entire nations within the EU which have smaller populations and more space than London that will find that this process of replacement to be even quicker.

(10-22-2015 04:45 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Unfortunately the problems will be far worse by then and the choice between Camp of the Saints or Starship Troopers may be inevitable.

If I feel any hatred towards any group that is represented in this thread, it is towards the petit-bourgeois Baby Boomer New Left which still manages the West. Its laissez-faire liberal economic and social policies have undermined the family, the nation-state, tradition and inflated the value of domestic real-estate so that even the most ardent conservative would not be able to afford to run a traditional home.

Most of all, in its attempt to arrogantly show how enlightened it is by supporting all groups but their own productive classes, it has put a future generation into the position whereby it must drag back the pendulum to the other extreme.

In other words, a future generation will have to choose Camp of the Saints or Starship Troopers.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschlan...59223.html

Quote:Das neue Recht solle bereits an diesem Samstag in Kraft treten - und nicht wie ursprünglich geplant acht Tage später am 1. November.

Es sei damit zu rechnen, dass bereits zu Beginn der kommenden Woche Abschiebungen "im größeren Stil" erfolgen. In enger Abstimmung zwischen Bund und Ländern werde bereits an Rückführungslisten gearbeitet, heißt es in dem Bericht.

Es sieht im Kern vor, die Rückführung von Flüchtlingen zu vereinfachen, deren Asylantrag abgelehnt wurde. Asylbewerber sollen insgesamt länger in den Erstaufnahmestellen wohnen - bis zu sechs statt bis zu drei Monaten - und dort möglichst nur Sachleistungen bekommen.

German pass a new refugee law. It start 8 days more early, so next saturday. There are list with people that don't get asylum and should send back home. They say it will be a big number. Also send those people home should become more easy.
Not accepted refugees get one date when they get pick up to send home. If they miss that the will not informed again and the police can catch them any time without a warning.

Also refugees have to stay longer in the central camps, don't get money. Just goods.
For those that get the status as refugees there will be better integration with language classes.

Lets see what happen. If those that are not real refugees get kicked out direct, it will solve almost all problems.
A big problem is often they hurt themselves then or burn their documents when they enter Germany.

They are punishing not Rightthink-conforming people heavily:

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/literatur/a...seoartikel



The Turkish born writer Akid Princi is getting punished like the researcher Andrew Wakefield on vaccines.

Not only did they cancel his contract, but they stop publishing all his best-selling previous books as well.

He was a bit careless with that. I know that he did not mean to use the concentration camps on the refugees, but on the politicians, but he should have known how powerful and psychotic those morons are whenever you mention anything Nazi-like.

Interesting how they call him a Muslim-hater and xenophobe despite being born in Turkey and his parents being not overly adapted Turks in Germany.

He is actually more a Red Pill guy who speaks the truth, but we are not supposed to do that anymore and now they are punishing him as much as possible. Luckily he already made enough cash to last him a lifetime, but the reaction of the establishment is brutal.

Refugees hate The Czech Republic

Refugees hate The Czech Republic II

We hate your country, says Syrian refugee
Reuters publishes testimony of 23 yo Syrian refugee "Rámiz" who was arrested in CZ.

"Police told us we will be released in couple hours, but we spent 40 days here" A lot of refugees seems to have same experience witch Czech police.
Rámiz also says the Czech police is the worst regarding refugees policy.

Police temporarily confiscated his phone and money and billed him and his wife 10€ per night for accomodation (Yes, you are reading it right, he had to pay for the accomodation)


Czech Interior minister said "They come here illegally, we are treating them according to the law"

Take this as you like

This thread makes me wanna head out and hunt down a girl and make her pregnant again and again until I have 10 sons.

When refugees are demanding the stop of immigration in order to offer a decent standard for the current ones, then the situation is obviously dire - heh.

Obviously the situation is becoming irrational even for the ones coming here and they don't understand Merkel & Co either. Why invite people when you don't have living quarters, work, sufficient infrastructure? Why? What could be the reason for all of that crap?

Let me put it across in a few pictures:





In a few years:








Then after sufficient blood and internal civil war breaks out - we bring the ORDER OUT OF CHAOS doctrine:





Finally utopian equality may be reached.

This inflow does not make any sense unless someone has similar plans - even some migrants realize that.

(10-23-2015 03:24 AM)Wrec Wrote:  Refugees hate The Czech Republic

Refugees hate The Czech Republic II

We hate your country, says Syrian refugee
Reuters publishes testimony of 23 yo Syrian refugee "Rámiz" who was arrested in CZ.

"Police told us we will be released in couple hours, but we spent 40 days here" A lot of refugees seems to have same experience witch Czech police.
Rámiz also says the Czech police is the worst regarding refugees policy.

Police temporarily confiscated his phone and money and billed him and his wife 10€ per night for accomodation (Yes, you are reading it right, he had to pay for the accomodation)

Czech Interior minister said "They come here illegally, we are treating them according to the law"

Contrast that man with our cuckold minister of internal affairs Ranko "I-am-not-fingerprinting-migrants-because-that-is-really-scary-to-them" Ostojić.

(10-22-2015 11:19 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 04:45 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Unfortunately the problems will be far worse by then and the choice between Camp of the Saints or Starship Troopers may be inevitable.

If I feel any hatred towards any group that is represented in this thread, it is towards the petit-bourgeois Baby Boomer New Left which still manages the West. Its laissez-faire liberal economic and social policies have undermined the family, the nation-state, tradition and inflated the value of domestic real-estate so that even the most ardent conservative would not be able to afford to run a traditional home.

Most of all, in its attempt to arrogantly show how enlightened it is by supporting all groups but their own productive classes, it has put a future generation into the position whereby it must drag back the pendulum to the other extreme.

In other words, a future generation will have to choose Camp of the Saints or Starship Troopers.

Agreed, it is a willful destruction of a successful format for society. It is the quick, cheap, 'no-investment' method.

I've said this before, but it deserves repeating because it highlights the methods being used: there were severe staff shortages in the UK health service(NHS); Instead of investing money in training they open the doors to 1000s of staff from the Philippines. It fixes a problem quickly with no investment. Training existing inhabitants would have generated wealth and returns on the investment.

Another example of this quick-fix method is Germany's rampant migrant intake. It's based on greed. Instead of being patient and encouraging native births, consequently maintaining social cohesion, just open the doors to 100,000s of people from different cultures and call it multiculturalism and accuse those who dislike it of being racist, xenophobic, etc.

I realise I am simplifying things, but I feel that it highlights what I believe are the motives for this form of social engineering.


I would also like to add, to your post and my own, an excellent break down of the situation from another thread here, which echoes your comments:

(05-17-2015 12:56 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 06:16 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  Mormons, Muslims, and traditional Christians will inherit the world we're building.
Traditional gender roles exist for a reason.

http://puu.sh/hPchX/62dd8b44c6.png

The irony in all of this is brilliant, and it is the main reason why I'm going to so greatly enjoy watching things play out over the course of the next generation or so.

Here you have a bunch of people with a certain set of views on life and the nature of a good "civilized society". They consider these progressive views important, so naturally they promote them aggressively. They want to see the acceptance of these views increase in the future.

At the same time, however, they outsource the development and nurturing of the next generation of human beings to groups of people who have absolutely no sympathy for these progressive views on life and what constitutes a civilized society.

They don't support multiculturalism as an inherent good.
They don't believe in sexual liberation done the western way.
They don't buy into most of the aims of western feminism or accept the liberation of the female from "traditional gender roles" as an inherent good that is necessary and beneficial to pursue.
They're not terribly tolerant.
They're not big on challenging religious orthodoxy, and in fact promote/perpetuate it.

I could really go on, but suffice it to say that the mindsets these people have are in complete conflict with the goals and dreams of your standard progressive westerner. Yet these westerners see no issue with the fact that they have essentially delegated the development of the next generation of human beings to these very people, as if those people are going to join hands with them and buy into the project of creating what progressive westerners consider a more "civilized", liberal society.

What do these progressive westerners expect to happen as these people to whom they have handed the task of guiding the next generation increase their demographic dominance globally?

So far, westerners have managed to completely avoid facing the realities of this dynamic. They don't acknowledge the consequences of their own decisions to discourage procreation and they have simply ignored the consequences of the rest of the world making contrary decisions. So ignorant are they that they celebrate realities that don't really exist outside of their own bubble - mainstream western publications are putting out pieces about the coming "decline of religion", focusing on westerners' own apathy toward spirituality while completely ignoring the fact that, on a global scale, the faithful are coming to absolute dominance globally.

They've been totally blind to all of this, but this state of affairs cannot last for long. The consequences of these trends are going to become increasingly obvious on a global scale during the next generation or so, and I'm really going to enjoy watching westerners come to terms with this and their own role in promoting it. Things are about to get very interesting.

In a few years this will be on the rise in Germany and Sweden just as it happened with the Pakistanis in Britain where they constitute 3.4% of the population, but over 30% of the birth defects.





Reasons for the 1600% higher number of birth defects, lower IQs, greater mental instability:

+ inbreeding as Mohammed himself married his cousin - this won't disappear
+ Ramadan - fasting for a pregnant woman - even for one in first months where pregnancy is not apparent - is terrible
+ massive Vitamin D deficiency not only for burka-wearking women, but Niqab as well as simple veil

Also even if they have a more enlightened daughter who refuses to marry her causin, then an honor killing will take care of things.

The numbers are extremely bad - look at the statistics of Saudi Arabia - super wealthy, but at the top in birth defects.

As if we did not have enough reasons to let those hordes in. This one will magnify as many men can legally pull their cousins to the EU after given asylum.

Related(pun intended) to your post Zel: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-46948...pid1008772

(10-23-2015 02:07 AM)Parzival Wrote:  http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschlan...59223.html

Quote:Das neue Recht solle bereits an diesem Samstag in Kraft treten - und nicht wie ursprünglich geplant acht Tage später am 1. November.

Es sei damit zu rechnen, dass bereits zu Beginn der kommenden Woche Abschiebungen "im größeren Stil" erfolgen. In enger Abstimmung zwischen Bund und Ländern werde bereits an Rückführungslisten gearbeitet, heißt es in dem Bericht.

Es sieht im Kern vor, die Rückführung von Flüchtlingen zu vereinfachen, deren Asylantrag abgelehnt wurde. Asylbewerber sollen insgesamt länger in den Erstaufnahmestellen wohnen - bis zu sechs statt bis zu drei Monaten - und dort möglichst nur Sachleistungen bekommen.

German pass a new refugee law. It start 8 days more early, so next saturday. There are list with people that don't get asylum and should send back home. They say it will be a big number. Also send those people home should become more easy.
Not accepted refugees get one date when they get pick up to send home. If they miss that the will not informed again and the police can catch them any time without a warning.

Also refugees have to stay longer in the central camps, don't get money. Just goods.
For those that get the status as refugees there will be better integration with language classes.

Lets see what happen. If those that are not real refugees get kicked out direct, it will solve almost all problems.
A big problem is often they hurt themselves then or burn their documents when they enter Germany.

I´m not really confident the new law will be effective:

Abgelehnte-Asylbewerber-Berlin-will-konsequent-abschieben

Quote:2014 wurden in Berlin den Angaben zufolge 602 abgelehnte Asylbewerber abgeschoben. Bis zum 1. Oktober seien es bereits 618 gewesen. "Wir liegen schon jetzt über den Abschiebezahlen des gesamten Vorjahres", sagte Henkel. Real wurden damit aber 2014 nur 16,9 Prozent aller abgelehnten Asylbewerber abgeschoben. Denn den 602 Abgeschobenen standen 9600 ausreisepflichtige Asylbewerber gegenüber, die nun geduldet werden. In diesem Jahr sind es mit 618 Abschiebungen 16,1 Prozent; 9332 sind ausreisepflichtig, aber geduldet.

In 2014 only 16,9 % of all the rejected asylum seekers were deported. Most of them are "gedultet" which means they are tolerated.

I don´t think 2015 will look any different. A lot of theses refugees or migrants actually, burn or throw away (willingly) their documents and ID. So the authorities, don´t know where to send them. And it´s also not realistic, that these refugees will not put resistance or just flee, when they sense that they will be deported. It´s a fucking mess. Very difficult to solve now. There´s too many of them. And every day, new ones arrive.

(10-23-2015 03:32 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  



When refugees are demanding the stop of immigration in order to offer a decent standard for the current ones, then the situation is obviously dire - heh.

That's a golden headline: "Even refugees want less refugees! "Please...no more refugees!", says a recent refugee"

I sympathize with the Europeans who never wanted this. Especially the ones who voted against those making this happen. I wonder how long until a major disease epidemic happens? The current conditions are ideal for infectious diseases. We'll see how the "Refugee Welcome" crowd will react if they or their families start dying off from the plague. Once it affects them, their generosity of resources which aren't theirs will hopefully dry up.

Deportations will not work. We will be having the same illegal problem the USA currently has with mexicans in 5 years. Except that mexicans are better than muslims in every imaginable respect and (at least partially) contribute to the economy.

At this point, the only policy that will work for the survival of Europeans in the long term is secession.
Let the liberals have their own countries and take their beloved third-worlders with them. Liberals are societal cancer and, even if all the invaders (not just from the current wave but from the last 40 years as well) are sent back, the cancer will just metastasize in time.
State nationalism does not work when the government hates you. National Anarchism gets at least this right.

Actually, there's something called the Flynn effect , the process by which IQ goes UP every decade. They have to keep making the tests harder to keep the average at 100.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Your intuition and n=1 experiences carry no credibility with experienced people who have actually studied the subject. Ahhh, forget the study- it's all just "liberal propaganda."

It is very interesting, the tendency in early adulthood-20s to early 30s to feel as if one is really on to something as they see things go wrong. They don't understand sometimes smarter people are sometimes running certain things.

I've published research in peer-reviewed journals on IQ tests and administered dozens or hundreds of IQ Tests.

The calls for abolition of democracy are particularly indicative of this. Then who will rule-- YOU? How can you miss that elephant of what's better? At least the guy that advocated a return to royalty had a plan. It's about as likely as
-women losing right to vote
- women ceasing to sometimes can loving swarthy coarse MENAs instead of some us genetic Europeans

Us old people understand blowback. It's good to have that awareness mixed in with the innovations of young people. It's why most commenters are living in liberal democracies at the same time they bitch about them.

The bitching is essential to their operation :-)