Quote:Japan is a democracy. It's working fine for them. Ask yourself why?

Literally the only advantage of Japan over Western Europe is that they do not accept immigrants in non-trivial numbers.
Hyperconsumerism? Check.
Low birth rate? Check.
Feminism? Check.
Obliteration of the family institution? Check (with some reservations).
Degenerate young people? Check.
Beta/omega males dropping out of the sexual market? Check.

They may have an additional advantage over USA and the Anglosphere in terms of lack of obesity.

Regarding the argument whether it's the elites or the form of government:
Both are responsible but at the root are the degenerate people (how they became degenerate is a whole another question).

Take a look at this:




When you have such people in your population and nobody effectively opposes them (for example, by beating them on the street due to their treason), what do you expect the policies of the democratic government to be?
They have the audacity of saying 'Europe is not just for Europeans'.

And just how mentally and physically healthy are those people? Look at the one at 0:15. Does he look like a healthy human being to you?

Does this cuck look like the material on which to build a great society?


(I find it hilarious that the green faggots are pushing for immigration to iceland when immigration of third worlders to the first world is literally the worst thing you can do for the environment. I find it hilarious that they are using the same template as the SD video from last year - though theirs is pathetic in the strength of its message in comparison. If you watch the video, please give it a thumbs down so that the increased view count can be countered by a dislike.)

(10-17-2015 11:30 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  But frankly the discussion here is off-topic. Whether you think that the top elite are an international generational money elite or just a bunch of banks, corporations and politicians. The direction of guilt is aimed at the right group with only differences of opinions regarding how powerful they are and how much it takes to topple them.

It's very much on-topic, and especially in the context of "toppling" them. "Toppling" is "constitutional change". You don't just 'topple' some bad bunch, and you automatically get a good bunch in power and keep them there, especially under democracy where subsequent governments are constantly refreshed anew by ballot boxes. A 'toppling' is only as good as what constitution replaces it, and how resistant that new constitution is to falling back into the same degeneracy.

There's only so much value to be had from 'exposing conspiracies' in their numerous and varied forms, and being 'the wise one who can see them', and I submit that that value is on the low side.

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(10-17-2015 11:48 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  There's only so much value to be had from 'exposing conspiracies' in their numerous and varied forms, and being 'the wise one who can see them', and I submit that that value is on the low side.

Unless the conspiracies turn out to be true which makes the values to be on the high side, since you finally know who is actually pulling the strings and what needs to be done.

Partial wins lead to Andrew Jackson level success - good for a while, he got rid of the central bank, but kept fractional reserve lending intact and also did not fundamentally change the money issue.



That was also the last time the US was debt free - right after the second private central bank was shut down.



He was almost Kennedied, but technology was faulty back then.

Since he left the money power essentially intact, history just repeated itself, though it took them quite a while to create a Central Bank again (owned by several private banks which are owned by private parties).

So you see - whether a US king and an inbred aristocracy would have ruled in the US would not matter much. Changing figure heads without changing the system won't effect much either.

Will Trump change things really? Of course not - even if he blocks a few things and pushes through 100% of his economic program, then it won't affect the US sufficiently. Would I vote for him? Sure - just for pissing off feminists and the left and for seeing a PR-rep as president with balls. But I have no illusions about the system - Andrew Jackson cleaned up with the money power much better than Trump ever can and it still was not enough to defeat them.

But ultimately it matters little what we individually believe in because none of us will have sufficient impact to actually change things. I know that you may think otherwise and may consider me a "defeatist and conspiracy theorist". But keep in mind that it's always good to differ on some points while understanding that we probably still agree on 90%+ of things which really matter in real life. Heck - we would probably vote for the same parties and politicians and fight for the same causes in real wars. So differences are big and small at the same time here.

There was a post a few days ago that discussed means of civil disruption and how to resist/undermine this influx. I don't have any skin in the game currently so take my idea with a grain of salt as its more of a theoretical scenario.

If I was to want to stem the elite from doing this, I'd bring the problem to their doorstep. It is all just reports of genders, ethnic, families, and other demographic statistics that they read at their estates. They don't come anywhere near the actual issue. The immigrants are learning of the promise of europe/germany via social media. Why not use social media to let our new guests know where the wealth is located so they can get on with their lives? There are plenty of empty mansions that these networth of xx,xxx,xxx currently own but don't occupy. It seems harmless to suggest some refugees go camp on their plush lawns and make good use of these underutilized accommodations.

And then onto the topic of jobs, these elite are so educated and smart, they can surely train classes of new migrants applicable career skills. I bet they can do it in short order. I bet they'd love to host these classes at their offices. Its a good way for them to teach their new potential employees and fellow citizens life long lessons.

Also, it might be helpful to teach the new guests where the best restaurants, theatres, places of art, and social clubs are. It just makes good sense in the interest of assimilating them to condition the newbies with the best society has to offer. That way, they can strive for excellence and leave their barbaric ways behind.

Brilliant idea! ^

So we just need to find out Europe's politicians addresses and start our own Refugees Welcome campaign.

Refugees Welcome at Angela Merkel's private mansion.

We can even hire a bus for the migrants and drive it straight there.

Give them tents, supplies, food, water. Enough to last them a few months.

Drive busloads of migrants to every politicians doorstep.

Then sit back and watch what happens.

(10-17-2015 01:11 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  Brilliant idea! ^

Drive busloads of migrants to every politicians doorstep.

Then sit back and watch what happens.

Heh heh. this is what happens when you use your head instead of your fists or knives.
+1 rep point for humane, smart, achievable Europe Preservation Idea.

Do it straight-faced "We love immigrants and are sure Angela does too"

All of sudden the politicians will be whispering to each other "How to we keep these morons away from our houses?!"

The solution that's the funniest with the fewest killed or injured is the best.

(10-17-2015 12:37 PM)greekgod Wrote:  There was a post a few days ago that discussed means of civil disruption and how to resist/undermine this influx. I don't have any skin in the game currently so take my idea with a grain of salt as its more of a theoretical scenario.

If I was to want to stem the elite from doing this, I'd bring the problem to their doorstep. It is all just reports of genders, ethnic, families, and other demographic statistics that they read at their estates. They don't come anywhere near the actual issue. The immigrants are learning of the promise of europe/germany via social media. Why not use social media to let our new guests know where the wealth is located so they can get on with their lives? There are plenty of empty mansions that these networth of xx,xxx,xxx currently own but don't occupy. It seems harmless to suggest some refugees go camp on their plush lawns and make good use of these underutilized accommodations.

And then onto the topic of jobs, these elite are so educated and smart, they can surely train classes of new migrants applicable career skills. I bet they can do it in short order. I bet they'd love to host these classes at their offices. Its a good way for them to teach their new potential employees and fellow citizens life long lessons.

Also, it might be helpful to teach the new guests where the best restaurants, theatres, places of art, and social clubs are. It just makes good sense in the interest of assimilating them to condition the newbies with the best society has to offer. That way, they can strive for excellence and leave their barbaric ways behind.

Excellent way to accelerate the process of leftists realizing the consequences of their actions before society is destroyed for the rest of us.

Maybe some 4channers that are reading can start another hashtag...

"#mansionz4migrantz"

(10-17-2015 11:39 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:  Take a look at this:

I just heard a piece on NPR yesterday, talking about Honduras and how it's the murder capital of the world and talking about immigration from the country.

The reporting thinly veiled placing blame on the U.S. How MS-13 was born on the streets of L.A. but we deported a large number of the gang members back to central America and now they're making life hell there with extortion scams.

The story went on about how a man and his family owned a business and was forced to pay extortion fees until they got out of hand. The husband couldn't pay up and wanted to move his family to the U.S. He wasn't able to, so he was killed.

It's a tragic story, but what struck me is how NPR was very obviously making these connections, striking several reference points, that came off as psychological warfare.

1) at one point they said, "These are people just like you and me." This is repeated by leftists pushing for immigration

2) insinuation that the U.S. created MS-13

3) U.S. sent MS-13 back home to wreak havoc

4) After making his life hell, we're to blame for not taking in a man and his family.

Those words stuck with me, "These are people just like you and me." That will be the new leftist slogan.

And the thing is, is I used to believe that. Acid, weed, buddhism and meditation made me a very empathetic and compassionate person. To some degree I still am. I have a very strong moral sense of how people should be treated.

And that's how the left recruits its members.

But the thing is, is the longer I'm here on Earth, and after a little bit of travel, I see that the rest of the world is filled with people that are NOT, in fact, "just like you and me". They are just like you and me in the sense that we are all human, but that's about as far as it goes. When it comes to morals, ethics, philosophy, IQ, and culture, they are vastly different.

It is a very powerful mechanism used by the left.

If you can convince the populace to see other people in the way you are similar, then you can more easily bend their will when it comes to diluting your race and culture.

On the opposite end of that is xenophobia. While the last thing I would call myself is a xenophobe, I see that the greatest conquerers used xenophobia to inspire and lead their population. A strong sense of "Us and Them" can lead to domination.

Intelligent men can see shades of gray. We can go through the world and find places that feel like home even though they're alien. Guys on this forum that are happier in Cambodia, Ukraine, or Colombia than in their hometown.

But on this particular issue it's not about those types of people, who are statistical outliers. It's about the masses and how to sway them. I'm starting to see that on a societal level, some degree of xenophobia is necessary for success.

(10-17-2015 02:13 PM)Veloce Wrote:  I just heard a piece on NPR yesterday, talking about Honduras and how it's the murder capital of the world and talking about immigration from the country.

The reporting thinly veiled placing blame on the U.S. How MS-13 was born on the streets of L.A. but we deported a large number of the gang members back to central America and now they're making life hell there with extortion scams.

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But the thing is, is the longer I'm here on Earth, and after a little bit of travel, I see that the rest of the world is filled with people that are NOT, in fact, "just like you and me". They are just like you and me in the sense that we are all human, but that's about as far as it goes. When it comes to morals, ethics, philosophy, IQ, and culture, they are vastly different.

It is a very powerful mechanism used by the left.

If you can convince the populace to see other people in the way you are similar, then you can more easily bend their will when it comes to diluting your race and culture.

On the opposite end of that is xenophobia. While the last thing I would call myself is a xenophobe, I see that the greatest conquerers used xenophobia to inspire and lead their population. A strong sense of "Us and Them" can lead to domination.

Intelligent men can see shades of gray. We can go through the world and find places that feel like home even though they're alien. Guys on this forum that are happier in Cambodia, Ukraine, or Colombia than in their hometown.
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South Americans are similar to Middle Easterners who put blame on the US and Western forces on everything. This just breeds a victim mentality without any positive steps forward.

The truth of the matter is that the Money Power while dabbling in those countries is not utterly "holding back" Arabs and South Americans. A good deal of their lack of constant progress is based on less favorable mental patterns, greater instability, victim complex, less infatuation with education - yes also lower IQs. South America especially is highly diverse in that respect with plenty of smarter "whiter" people at the top and a multi-racial culture at the bottom.

Do Indians blame the British for everything? Sometimes they do, but on the other hand not really. Ever more people there are getting educated, move to the middle class, the caste thinking and other backwards mental processes are eliminated and within a few generations India will be a first rate highly developed country with an intellectual, ambitious, geeky, tech-infatuated population. Nothing is gained by the gimmedat-victimization card alone.

Even Israelis are doing it differently - while they raise the victim card often enough, they are certainly not waiting around to get free shit and stuff. They act proactively, invest in education, technology and work hard to build a stronger better Israel.

Japan also has not been a democracy for very long. But it's most important feature is resistance to foreign influence of all kinds.

Resistance is beginning. German mayor gets attacked for letting in refugees:

https://www.rt.com/news/318959-german-ma...e-stabbed/

(10-17-2015 05:11 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Resistance is beginning. German mayor gets attacked for letting in refugees:

https://www.rt.com/news/318959-german-ma...e-stabbed/

(10-17-2015 05:11 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Resistance is beginning. German mayor gets attacked for letting in refugees:

https://www.rt.com/news/318959-german-ma...e-stabbed/

An asylum center recently built burned to the ground in Sweden yesterday.

Is it happening?

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I like greekgod's idea. You can add it to the suggested tactics for cell operations. Seriously that's what's needed most right now, organized groups of red pill leader guys on the ground ready to commence active subversion operations.

Quote:The attacker, identified only as Steffen F., was arrested by police. He appeared to be a German citizen...He was a house painter and lacquerer...

Whoah, sounds like a Nazi...

Regarding burning asylum centers. I think fire attacks are currently on a 2 week schedule, at least. (I guess this is not reported in the international news)

(10-17-2015 11:39 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:  Take a look at this:

This video made me almost punch my fucking screen.

SJW Western mainstream media stopped attacking Erdogan all of a sudden, they are hoping that we will take the refugees in Europe. Now they understand how it feels like to deal with lunatics who have stupid demands? Sorry guys, I don't feel sorry for Europe, they were the ones who supported the Gezi uprising here.

This is who we were up against 2 years ago



Just look at the parties in the left, now the same parties in Europe are supporting the Migrant Invasion. I love you guys here( no homo), In the end I don't want you guys to deal with these arabs, but I just want the European leaders to be scared shitless for couple of months and use it as a chance to empathize with what we went through 2 years ago. Left movement is the biggest threat humanity has ever faced, it should be crushed everywhere.

Putin + Erdogan + Orban are the only red pill leaders left in the continent of Europe.

To be honest I don't want to live in a world where homosexuality is DHV, where its cool for girls to ride the cock carousel before marrying, Family is very precious, the SJw pill is trying to destroy the importance of family.

Austria - one Arab woman violently attacking a busdriver. Since other men and her friend try to hold her back, then it seems that the reason for it is trifle.

I don't know how Europe can manage without being enriched by such people.

But at least the closing of Hungary's border has the first results:



One Austrian refugee camp is empty the first time since weeks or months.

But according to the police some 4000+ still manage to come to Austria via different routes.

The funny part is that the official German police union wishes an Orban-like closing of the border to Austria - heh:

http://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/...reich.html

No wonder - they are mopping up the enrichment on a daily basis.

I haven't been able to click on this thread for about a week.

It's just too fucking depressing thinking about it all...keep up the good work guys.

Well, that was surely one bloody weekend here in Germany and we even haven't reached monday yet.

Some of you have already mentioned the stabbing of this politician in Cologne.

Turns out that 2 "refugees" got killed last evening.
One was a 20 year old Somali stabbed in the neck by his roommate in Neuenkirchen (Lower Saxony). The other one - an afghan - in Wutha-Farnroda (South-East Germany). He got into an argument with another roommate and got knifed multiple times. On his way out of the house for some reason the killer attacked a 22 year old German who was sitting in a car, seriously injuring him. So, on the whole we could have had a body count of 4 dead people this weekend caused by the "refugee" crisis and winter is still coming.

I'll make a test and watch the news this evening on public state TV to look if these incidents will even be mentioned. But most likely they'll first and foremost wine about that politician yesterday and how this is an assault on democracy and on all of us somehow. Watch out Germans! There are some crazy ass right wingers out there who will stab you in the back while you aren't looking!

(10-17-2015 08:40 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  Putin + Erdogan + Orban are the only red pill leaders left in the continent of Europe.

To be honest I don't want to live in a world where homosexuality is DHV, where its cool for girls to ride the cock carousel before marrying, Family is very precious, the SJw pill is trying to destroy the importance of family.

The truth of the matter is that Erdogan is certainly not equal to the more Red Pill leaders like Putin and Orban. It's the same as in the "Is Islam Red Pill" thread. Yeah - it's a conservatism that is going the wrong way via a fascist system.



Kemal Ataturk understood just like other Muslim politicians that the Muslim world is best governed via a more or less benevolent strongman - otherwise they reverse to Stone Age Jihad or start killing each other due to the clannish structure of their mentality.



You are right, that Turkey is influenced by the usual globalist powers, but every non-SJWs country is met with the same pressure. Erdogan appealing to the fundamentalist backwards part of Turkey is not a solution. Probably a benevolent dictatorship would be better for the country.

Erdogan is highly popular among the Islamists: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/191900/i...ryan-mauro

He is a lapdog of NATO and in addition balances the country appealing to fundamentalists throwing the large secular, Sufi and modern population of Turkey under the bus. I talked with professionals in Istanbul (by the way - some hotties among them in short skirts) and they expressed their utter contempt for most of the backwards Turks living in Germany. So Turkey is rather a country separated by a deep gulf between them in terms of mentality. Turks have a very laid-back, friendly, casual and endearing nature, but when infused with too much Islam and backwards thinking, then that kind of mental pattern is very hard to eliminate as we can see in Germany. Personally I would like their more positive side to win and accept more sluts and feminism if I have to rather than more extremism.

Erdogan in that line will simply flood Europe with more refugees - the newcomers are being used for cheap labor, Turkey is probably getting billions in aid by the money power already and they will facilitate their passage to the EU no matter what EU politicians claim will be done.



Indeed - such a wonderful leader....

Post-third-wave feminism:



https://translate.google.com/translate?s...edit-text=

Also - it's happening.:

Quote:Iraqi asylum seekers disappointed in Finland - went to Sweden and raped on the night train

The interpreter needy Alani Wissam, born -87, who was arrested on suspicion of rape in Hudiksvall and then detained in Sundsvall had originally came to Finland, but was disappointed with the "bad" conditions and therefore traveled to grant paradise Sweden, where he heard that the man was better treated. On the night train number 91 in Sweden he raped a Swedish woman, which we wrote about the other day.


It was, according to a tip received by the exposed, on the southbound night train, the night between Friday and Saturday, which Wissam met a Swedish woman and they started chatting together. When the woman well asleep he raped her.

She then rang the police who lifted the man in Hudiksvall. He was examined at the hospital and then transferred to Sundsvall arrest. One detail: The local newspaper HT in Hudiksvall is completely concealed the story on the grounds that it is local and it was just a coincidence that he was arrested in Hudiksvall.

- See more at: https://translate.googleusercontent.com/...dBwh5.dpuf

Yeah - he met one of those Swedish sluts, who befriended him. When she fell asleep he raped her, what else since she is an infidel shameless woman who talks to strangers?

And the best part is that women are so brainwashed to be open about them and treat those poor poor refugees with even more openness than their local men or clearly secular guys.