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I think you European guys should read what I'm reading - The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

It's fiction but Heinlein goes real into depth about the science of revolution. Sometimes fiction is a better explanatory device than history. At the very least you'll learn some subversive techniques.

Voting and supporting the "far right" is a good start but it's not going to be enough by itself.

I'm noticing a worrying trend among some posters here saying that the end of the EU will solve the problems Europe is currently facing culturally or at least help alleviate them. A lot of this has to due with the blatant dishonestly of Eurosceptics in the UK. I don't think Europe will fall due to immigration overnight. Remember that the largest waves of external immigration outside Europe were before freedom of movement rules and also partially a result of old empires no longer existing. Europeans will stay in Europe. Despite all the current economic ,social,political and cultural problems,Europe is the closest thing to heaven on earth for young men who continue to self improve and will remain so even until our old age. Sure,it might be better to get a well paid job in bumfuck nowhere in the anglo sphere ,but most would rather struggle and experience European women,which even western non English speaking are much better than Anglosphere girls. People who are ideologically neutral or are a bit right leaning ,more than half are and will wake up. Right wing parties especially are much more popular with younger Europeans on average than the main social democratic or conservative parties. FPÖ and FN for example have been drawing in a lot of young voters. Europe is worth fighting for but within a European framework. This is why I hate UKIP so much,they want non European immigrants to come in on a point based system and don't want the EU to help with external border policing which is the best way to deal with illegal immigration. Orban for instance wants this and recently talked about it with the New conservative president of Poland Duda at the recent V4 meeting which Croatia also joined in on. We all know Orban hates refugees from coming in but he understands the reality of the situation.

Sweden slowly but surely admits that it has a problem:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/...l-turmoil/

Quote:More migrants have sought asylum in Sweden so far this year than in any other in the nation’s history. The new figures were revealed just days after the ruling left-wing coalition fell apart and the Prime Minister confessed Sweden was in political turmoil, making an election likely.

Sweden’s Migration Agency, Migrationsverket, has revealed that 86,223 people have launched asylum cases in 2015. This is up from earlier predictions of 74,000 by December, as reported by The Local.

“Higher levels than in 1992, I think. We had a lot of ex Yugoslavians coming then. Now we are at a higher pace even,” said Kent Ekeroth, a Sweden Democrat member of the Riksdag, in an exclusive statement to Breitbart London.

“With the current rate we are talking about 700 000 immigrants per year, which in no time will transform Sweden into something that is not Sweden,” he added.

The figures do indeed surpass the previous record set in 1992, when 84,016 people sought asylum in the Scandinavian country following the Balkans war and subsequent break up of Yugoslavia.

The figures emerge just days after Prime Minister Stefan Löfven announced the nation was struggling to cope and would be housing migrants in tents.

“Sweden is preparing for a crisis situation,” the Social Democrat leader told a press conference in Stockholm on Friday. “Our focus is now on [providing] an organised reception. First of all, to ensure there is accommodation. The standards are being lowered.”

Mr. Ekeroth’s concerns extend beyond the welfare of the migrants alone, to the rest of the country.

“We will import conflict, corruption, violence and poverty. We will limit where we can go and where we can enjoy our country,” warns Mr. Ekeroth.

“Already the media have reported, too little too late, about violence at our libraries and at our bathhouses where “youth gangs” (a badly disguised way of saying immigrants) are terrorizing regular citizens,” he continued.

“So, this is the worst situation Sweden has ever been in I would say.”

Sweden’s ruling left-wing ‘December Alliance’ coalition – lead by Mr. Löfven – has come under increased criticism for its perceived negligence in matters of policy relating to the migrant crisis, and lack of concern for the long-term difficulties posed by such a rapid influx.

On the 20th of August it was revealed that the Sweden Democrats had surged to become the country’s largest party, with support polling at 25 per cent.

Also comparing Croats and Serbs from 1992 to those men now is ridiculous. 25% biggest party - good - now they will only have 75% of the political votes against them.

Limo anyone!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...luged.html

The 2004 ''Big Bang'' expansion also will or possibly already has prevented some of the worst things happening EU wide. Look at gender quotas for example. It seems impossible for EU wide gender quotas but might have happened in the past or now if they didn't have member states who would veto it. Same could be said for expanding protections for homosexuals or other forms of anti discrimination laws. Gay marriage will never happen across all of Europe. Thank the EU for that.

(10-13-2015 05:43 PM)Nowak Wrote:  Orban for instance wants this and recently talked about it with the New conservative president of Poland Duda at the recent V4 meeting which Croatia also joined in on. We all know Orban hates refugees from coming in but he understands the reality of the situation.

Do you have a link? I'd like to see this.

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^ Umm that doesn't look so bad if you think it does you are in for something.

(10-13-2015 05:28 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  I think I'm going to stay put. And the economy in Europe will crash in two years or less. Germany is fucked beyond redemption (Deutsche Bank and Volkswagen, for starters).

VW manipulate some test, its not like their cars a total crap. About 99 % of German companies are small or middle size ones that can carry one quite a lot of economical power. Unlike the USA Germany still has a lot of manufacturing power. This is a big backbone for every economy.
The economy will struggle more because other countries lack reforms and the over blowing welfare system in Germany. For me most companies are still smart and competitive. Its just that Germany relay on export. So if they don't buy then its goes down.


They do not set up wannabe refugees everywhere. So when you don't have a camp next to you, you can still live your ordinary life so far in Germany. I mean even with the EURO Crisis you have no real affect on your daily life. Feel tension yes but not enough to feel a real suffering.
Furthermore Germans don't have a real moving mentality these days. So most will just stay and carry the burden and see how the situation get slowly worse.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...ktion.html

Quote:In der Flüchtlingskrise muss Angela Merkel um die Autorität in der eigenen Fraktion ringen. In der Sitzung am Dienstag, die Teilnehmer anschließend als "denkwürdig" bezeichneten, kam es zu heftigen Debatten um die Flüchtlingspolitik.

So habe Merkel die Erklärung, warum sie die deutsch-österreichische Grenze für Flüchtlinge nicht schließen wolle, mit der rhetorischen Frage ausklingen lassen: "Oder glaubt hier jemand ernsthaft, dass wir Flüchtlinge an der Grenze zurückweisen können?" Daraufhin hätten gleich mehrere Abgeordnete spontan "Ja" gerufen und damit wiederum Applaus ausgelöst.

Aber die Fachpolitiker hielten immer wieder dagegen. Vor allem der CDU-Abgeordnete Clemens Binninger, der selbst früher als Bundespolizist gearbeitet hat, widerlegte Merkels Angaben mit zahlreichen Beispielen aus der Praxis Deutschlands und der Nachbarstaaten. So weise etwa Polen sehr viele illegale Einwanderer ab, berichtete er.

Auch der Abgeordnete Armin Schuster, ebenfalls ein ehemaliger Polizist, meldete sich und argumentierte "aus der Praxis" gegen Merkel. Einige Abgeordnete berichteten anschließend, vor allem der eigentlich als besonnen geltende Binninger habe die Kanzlerin "streckenweise vorgeführt".

Some internal talk in her party lead to big disagreement for Merkel. When she said she can not control the borders nor sent then refugees back, two members of her party - both former police men. One state and one federal one said, its possible to close borders and send refugees back. Poland do and its the duty of a state to protect the borders from illegal immigration.

Furthermore they say 1/5 disagree with Merkel but there are rumours that the number is actual even higher. Merkel has soon to fight for the power in her own party because more and more are not happy with the politics of her.

Also they passed stricter laws for the refugees but for some they are not strict enough.

^ I see here many guys lamenting the collapse of Europe and the new re-emergence of the US as the future economic powerhouse.

Nothing can be further from the truth. Some things will remain in those areas. Germany will retain it's massive manufacturing base - also countries like Switzerland or Sweden do retain theirs, since many of their factories are almost fully mechanized. Similar to the US a stronger divergence of economies will develop: There will be the wealthy with old and new money, the corporate world which will pay more or less decently, then there will be the huge low-pay class (according to some estimates almost 50% of employees in Germany already - also part of the corporate world, which will pay most of their people ever less) and then the rising unemployment class. The new migrants will join the unemployed and low-pay class (most unemployed for life - so they will "boost" GDP only via debt expansion).

So it's not "the end of Europe". It's just a move towards a more Dickensian style of economy - just as it happens with the US. Only in the US there will be even less manufacturing left with a greater reliance on the few tech companies and Hollywood.

As far as most Germans being able to live in peace. Yes - as long as they remain in the refugee camps, then that will be the case. It will change dramatically as soon as they are given new quarters in the new cities, form ghettos, pull family members and women home. Even more fun will it become when they get 4-6 children and those "youths" will start getting itchy in some 18 years. But who knows - maybe the elite counts on combat robots for crowd control in 25 years. (Made in Japan & Germany.)

I personally think that if you move to the 1-2% income/net worth spectrum and don't have to be stuck in the bad cities/parts of the city, then you can still have a grand life in some 20-30 years as well. The pretty women will flock in greater numbers to the safe/wealthy cities. In 30 years luxury apartments may come furbished with a 9 and Hilton hotels will be offering complimentary girls. Poverty and chaos have their upsides for the Beta Bucks.

Keep in mind there is a lot of ongoing in manufacturing. Internet of things. Internet of things is even a big agenda point in the USA and Obama supports it. Why? Because they hope of a rebuilding of their manufacturing core. Of course Google, Amazon, Apple and high tech firms are leading but how many jobs do they provide?
The USA is strong in economics, salespeople, marketing. This is something Germany and Japan lacks, but still those countries have the factories. Even China has factories and try to adapt and see the internet of things and the revolution in production as the next step.
Australia also lack the industry, they just have the mining stuff.

This digital revolution in production will also change the need for workers. More flexible, and more skilled. Low paid and simple jobs will be done by robots and more automatic machines. Its funny how they say because of the demographic change Germany need immigrants and then they also say because of digital revolution will cost 18 million jobs (50%).

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article140...engen.html

Quote:Von den 30,9 Millionen sozialversicherungspflichtig und geringfügig Beschäftigten, die in der Untersuchung berücksichtigt werden, würden demnach 18 Millionen in den kommenden Jahren und Jahrzehnten durch Maschinen und Software ersetzt.

I'm not sure about this because every new step in production cost some jobs but create also some new ones. 100 years ago people did not know about a software developer. But a software developer has a higher skill then a factory guy in 1907. The same will be there, there will be jobs but not for the low educated ones. Look at the people that have no jobs in Germany. Its those with no education, no job skills and so on.
I guess 90 % of the refugees will end like this. A few make the jump and the rest will create ghettos. Then no go Areas like in some big German cities will be more common everywhere.

In Hamburg, Berlin, Bremen, Düsseldorf the crime is mostly commit by family gangs from arab background or from east european gangs. Those arab people have a clan mentality what make it very hard for the police to track them down. Big families with more then 100 members. And the "new citizens" have the same mentality. It was mention before and I repeat it. Europeans are loyal to their constitution and the state, those people hate the state and are only loyal to the clan. Thats why gypsies have also problems since centuries to integrate.

The clan mentality is furthermore a reason why those countries where the people are coming from are such a mess. Corruption and one clan against an other, they fight each other inside their own state. Of course the west and the USA get all the blame and yeah the USA and the west fucked a lot up. Arabs love to blame others its part of the arab - islam mentality. Clan thinking and blame others. Thats the main reason why those countries are a mess.

Also take a look at Germany, the ghettos and the mess is in the big cites, thats where all the immigrants move. The rural areas are still fine but it will change because now they put up refugee camps everywhere.

Very good article

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschlan...=meinunghp

Quote:Für viele, die darüber entscheiden, wie die Dinge zu sehen und bewerten sind, ist ein Bericht in der "Tagesschau" über die Lage im niedersächsischen Sumte oder dem fränkischen Hardheim, wo auf 5000 Bewohner 1000 Neubürger kommen, wie ein Blick ins "Auslandsjournal": irgendwie nah, aber auch ganz fern. Als im Berliner Bezirk Kreuzberg-Friedrichshain vor drei Jahren 100 schwarzafrikanische und arabischstämmige Flüchtlinge in eine Schule einzogen, reichte das, um die grün-rote Welt kräftig durcheinander zu wirbeln. Der einzige Schwarze, dem man normalerweise in den Vierteln begegnet, in denen die Intelligenz residiert, ist der Austauschstudent aus Burundi.

Es würde nicht viel brauchen, um das Flüchtlingselend aus dem Fernsehen in die Realität zu holen: Ein Lager im Volkspark Friedrichshain, wo die Familie aus dem Prenzlauer Berg Hund und Kinder ausführt, eines im Hofgarten neben dem Schumann's in München und eines auf der Wiese vor dem Hamburger Dammtor-Bahnhof - auf einen Schlag hätte man 80 Prozent der journalistischen Klasse erreicht.

Its says when you put 1000 refugees in a 5000 or now there is a case with 1000 refugees for just 100 inhabitants, the media is very quick to blame those people as racist, right wing and so on.
3 years ago there was a case where 100 black refugees occupied a school in the centre of Berlin and the green - left government freaked out.
So the writer say, just send the refugees all into the city centres where the media people live and the opinion about refugees welcome and harsh word for the rural people will change very fast.

I agree total, the elite in politics and media put refugees somewhere outside. There was an article where they did some research if on the more liberal - green voting areas are really refugees. I guess you know the answer. No. The more refugee friendly the less they have to deal with refugees on a daily basis.

Something to share about the swedish immigration agency. The handlers are encouraged to take in a certain quota of immigrants every week. So some handlers don't even do proper background checks. And it's quite easy to get family members in too country too. That's why there are is such a huge influx of somalies in Sweden.

When I look around at friends, work colleagues, family members and friends of friends, the majority seem taken in by the narrative, at least to some extent.
But there's no question that the most easily brainwashed group are women, gays and low-t or standard beta providers also being pro the narrative.
At the moment, despite a small awakening of some sections of society, we're still seeing the media, NGOs, Greens, EU leadership, etc and their financial backers are still pressing ahead, unhindered with their Globalist plans to make Europe one big homogeneous blob of ethnicities with all the ensuing chaos and destruction that will bring.
If there is to be a way of turning back the narrative, it will have to come from some prominent people in high positions with ability to influence large amounts of people.
Yes, you have Trump, but he is still hated out of hand by most people of a liberal bent.
It's something, but it's not enough, Trump can't save Western civilisation by himself.
Almost everyone in the entertainment industry is a sheep(politically speaking anyway).
But the entertainment industry is hugely influential, if it was possible to get some prominent figures from that industry to start speaking some common sense, some soundbites, something that could be turned into a meme and spread by social media, there might be some hope of some sanity getting through to the masses.
It would have to come from the mouth of a high status alpha male, a very attractive woman or a popular good-looking gay man, or a combination of all these types.
The problem at the moment is that nobody(aside form Milo) from categories 2 and 3 is doing so, and anyone from category 1 that speaks out is usually white and so gets castigated straight away by SJWs and lemmings on social media for his 'privilege' and the truth of the message is lost.
At the moment, I don't know how this could be achieved, just some thoughts.
Could anyone build on this or do you think there's a way to leverage anyone from these groups to somehow fight the propaganda we're seeing?
We all know that women follow, they follow the herd, at the moment, the herd are being led off a r-selected cliff, we need to save them from themselves.

Jesus, another journalist jumping on the #refugeeswelcome bandwagon.



This is the kind of tripe we're dealing with, 1.4 thousand retweets.
Am not gonna start on the ad-hominem attacks on this guy but he is typical of the kind of person who is pushing the narrative hard, something he will only be rewarded for in the circle jerk self-congratulatory world of self appointed "experts" we see in the media these days.

^^It's not so much that people in the media are "jumping onto the narrative." The media is not really in the business of business. Its primary function is to shape society and steer it in the direction desired by the elites. As such, the end product generated by the media worker drones is mandated by people at the very top. The content creator people have no discretion to jump on any bandwagon. Those decisions are made for them.

While I'm on the topic, I also want to weigh in against the idea that democracy is the problem, which has been mentioned here a few times. Democracy is not the problem. Dictatorship is likewise not the solution. Democracy is as good/bad as the people within the country. A benevolent dictator also isn't worth much if the general citizen is a fat leftist phaggot. The key has always been control of the media, educational, and cultural/entertainment institutions. They are what shape the character of a nation. If RVFers controlled those institutions in the US and Europe, you can bet that democracy would work just fine, as the general citizen would have the right mindset and would execute his democratic duties in the appropriate way.

Think back to Europe in the age of exploration/colonization. Hernan Cortez did not manage to conquer 11m Aztecs with 200 Spaniards because of the particulars of the rule of the Spanish monarchy. Rather, Spanish society at the time produced some bad motherfuckers. The quality of the people is the paramount thing, and unfortunately, we have allowed our enemies to control those exact institutions that shape this quality. So long as they continue to control them, the war is lost. External invasions like what is happening today are merely a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself. And you never cure the disease by fighting the symptoms.

@Fast Eddie Fair point man. You're quite right, even the likes of this guy are essentially just useful idiots albeit ones with quite a bit of influence because they have platforms to preach from.
They're the puppets rather than the puppetmasters.

This is madness - No its Germany

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/artic...frika.html

Quote:"Hier glauben immer noch viele, Europa sei ein Eldorado, wo Geld auf der Straße liegt und man es nur aufheben und nach Hause schicken muss."

Und das hat viel mit den Fernsehbildern freundlicher Deutscher zu tun, die Neuankömmlinge mit Seifenblasen, Geschenken und Applaus willkommen geheißen haben. "Das Bild vergisst man nicht", sagt Salif*.

The article say, even people from western african countries leave now and want to go to Germany. They are just economical refugees but think in Germany are the streets of gold and full with money.

Furthermore the biggest reasons for them to chose Germany is the refugee friendly pictures in the media. Germans that chant refugees welcome and the rumors that they get either good jobs or money for free.
They also say they have corrupt people in the embassy, manly france but also can get german passports. Also they can travel without border controls to the coast and from there its an easy step to move to Europe.

Hell yeah Africa is on its way too, Afghanistan, fuck everybody wants to go to Germany and the german government has no plan to bring them trough the winter. Lets see the crackdown. Its one moment in time where you see a country collapse soon. Later I can say I did know it lol


Be sane is not easy these days....

I say I welcome a quick escalation of the current state of affairs. I expect a flood of immigrants arriving at our borders and shores 05/2016 after the winter. The faster the total collapse of the currently involved institutions the more likely will be a reaction.

(10-14-2015 11:23 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  While I'm on the topic, I also want to weigh in against the idea that democracy is the problem, which has been mentioned here a few times. Democracy is not the problem. Dictatorship is likewise not the solution. Democracy is as good/bad as the people within the country. A benevolent dictator also isn't worth much if the general citizen is a fat leftist phaggot. The key has always been control of the media, educational, and cultural/entertainment institutions. They are what shape the character of a nation. If RVFers controlled those institutions in the US and Europe, you can bet that democracy would work just fine, as the general citizen would have the right mindset and would execute his democratic duties in the appropriate way.

"Strongest minds are often those whom the loud world hears least", Wordsworth once wrote. Foolishness thrives amidst the din of the crowd; wisdom survives only in groups of limited quantity and abundant quality.

I do agree that democracy isn't the problem in and of itself, but it should be noted that one long-term dynamic of democracy is to appeal to the lowest common denominator...politically, socially, intellectually, artistically, culturally. Given free choice between shiny lies and plain truth, between what they want to hear and what they need to hear, people make the wrong choice (the easy choice) with overwhelming frequency.

In this case, all that was needed for a large percentage of European electorates to stop thinking and turn into slogan-muttering quislings was one picture of a dead child on a beach in Turkey. No thought was given to the fact that any half-informed observer would have known full well that children were already drowning in the Mediterranean due to people-smugglers (who thrive on open-border policies), or to the fact that his family had been living safely in an apartment in Turkey for some years before they attempted to illegally enter Europe as economic migrants, or to the fact that European countries had zero obligation to save the child from the tragic results of his father's greed and lack of preparation, or to the fact that his father returned safely to Syria after he caused the death of his family members.

One picture in one media blitz, and all facts fell to the wayside. It's a startling microcosm of the frailties of modern democracy.

Think of it this way.

"Democracy" is failing in the most basic fundamental reason for the existence of a state - to protect its people from a hostile alien invading culture, and it is doing it in the worst way by not resisting at all.

One could make the argument that the EU is anti-democratic and that's true, and as we see most Europeans do not want more non-European immigration into their countries.

So why isn't this being expressed? Shouldn't it in a democracy?

We have two conclusions - either the feedback loop is somehow broken or democracy is simply incapable of getting tough on these sorts of matters. Either is a damning condemnation of democracy as we know it today at least.

Quintus wrote a while ago that we should not look necessarily to the form of the government, but what results it brings to the people. It was this lens that drew me to this conclusion.

I'm not sure what the answer is, however, aside from the solution to the immediate problem at hand in this thread.

Every now and then I come back to this thread and read and read and then I need to take a few days off because honestly this whole situation has affected me emotionally more than I wanted and I need to take breaks from it. The feeling of being useless becomes too much. I would actually feel confident and positive if I knew that the European peoples were revolting against the traitors that are destroying Europe and were massively against this, that would give me hope, but everywhere I turn I just see the idiocy of the "refugees welcome" crowd in full force, it's like I'm in a sea on insanity with small little islands here and there as refuge.

I wish I didn't feel like this but I truly hate the people that make apologetic and welcoming comments regarding the invaders on videos or news articles comments sections, I hate the men and women I see in those welcoming parades, I hate the people that write articles about how Europe must let everyone in, how we shouldn't have borders, how whites are evil, and I hate these treacherous politicians that allowed this to happen. And I hate that I feel like this. I also feel like the people here are just a minority and we're losing the fight. It's overwhelming.

And the worst thing is, who is the enemy? How can one fight? Fight against who? Against the entirety of the European populations that are not only accepting of, but also willing and desiring to bring the parasitic invaders in? The invaders themselves? It's not like one can simply pick up a gun and go fight for his beliefs, this is more like a cancer that is slowly spreading until it completely destroys its host. I feel powerless, I don't know how to help fighting against this. This is not just some stupid haircut that becomes fashionable for a few months amongst women and then is forgotten for a few more years until someone decides it's cool again, this is not a movie that I can turn off after a couple of hours or a nightmare that I can wake up from, this is real and it's disastrous.

(10-14-2015 06:56 PM)Libertas Wrote:  "Democracy" is failing in the most basic fundamental reason for the existence of a state - to protect its people from a hostile alien invading culture, and it is doing it in the worst way by not resisting at all.
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So why isn't this being expressed? Shouldn't it in a democracy?

We have two conclusions - either the feedback loop is somehow broken or democracy is simply incapable of getting tough on these sorts of matters. Either is a damning condemnation of democracy as we know it today at least.

What are you talking about here?

1. Banks and usury fractional reserve banking system controls governments - they have started doing so back when all European states were monarchies - when you have to lend from them to rule, then you won't rule after a short period
2. The media is utterly controlled by them and doesn't send pictures of protests - they belong utterly to the same powers
3. The politicians are under full control of the money power and any newcomer will either die, submit or won't be elected

Greater dictatorial power without understanding the basis of the system is like saying: Merkel is doing bad in a democracy, let's give Merkel full dictatorial powers for life - that will solve the problem with democracy!

Some countries do have more power in that regard and theoretically the people in our system do have the possibility of ousting the rulers, IF THE NARRATIVE IS CRUMBLING too much.

Currently I don't see it happen and you will rather see armed Muslim gangs running through the streets soon.

Also there was a modicum of reaction to the actions of the people. The Poles and Hungarians protested against migrants and it's possible that those pictures were shown around the world. The bums around the world saw: "Ah - not welcome there!" In Austria, Denmark and Germany they saw great celebrations of more migrants being welcome, so they decided to pack their bags and get a teddy bear as well.

Now having arrived in Germany they see that they did not get a stuffed bear, but are getting gang-raped by a bunch of Muslims, but hey - they have made it to paradise.





This will get worse.