Post: #51

I like this guy. I'd love to know how much success he has though.

Post: #52

Philip Roth wrote about this in his 2000 book, The Human Stain. “All I had to do was go down into the subway… Go down into the subway and come up with a girl.” The character would just start talking to girls on the platform and take it from there. This inspired me to work the platform game angle. And hey, its cool. Especially in the summer when the lizards are barely dressed. Nice.

Post: #53

Yup. Subway game is a big part of my repertoire.

PROS:
1) Very good talent down there.
2) Targets are stationery, making the approach easier than trying to Yadstop a hottie on the street rushing to pilates class. As always, look neat, presentable, normal and cool. She's trapped with you underground, so comfort is key.

CONS:
The time pressure is enormous. You need to spit tight game and ramp up to the number close often within 5 minutes. The interaction could be going really well, she's giving you IOIs, her eyes are spazzing, then BOOM, it's her stop and she's gone like a thief in the night. At that point, my split-second strategy is to get her full name so I can Facebook close her later, but it ain't ideal.

PRO-TIP:
Girls are always glued to their smartphones, so a good opener I've found is: 'Are you getting reception down here?'
Also: complimenting her on an article of clothing, asking her about her smartphone ('is that the new iPhone 6?') or ebook. Basic elderly coffee shop chat described in 'Day Bang'.

Post: #54

5 minutes to # close isn't a Con, it's a Pro.

Post: #55

Anyone want to guess the flake ratio he gets when he email closes them? (email leading to a date) I'm guessing a lot of the girls think that is easier than giving him a hard no. Still, even if it was 1/3 that's not bad if you do it hundreds of times.

Post: #56

(10-14-2014 11:20 PM)savvylurker Wrote:  Anyone want to guess the flake ratio he gets when he email closes them? (email leading to a date) I'm guessing a lot of the girls think that is easier than giving him a hard no. Still, even if it was 1/3 that's not bad if you do it hundreds of times.

We don't know what the 500 number means with him. The mainstream media does not like writing about him having fucked 500 women, because that would be "debasing".

If he got 500 numbers or email addresses, then we know that his conversion rate must be abysmal. But if he does it often, then chances are he spoke and n-/email-closed thousands and then got 500 dates or 500 bangs out of it.

In any case - it should give guys an inspiration of what a man can do - especially when taking into account his age and Game level (which in my opinion has not been based on formal Game teachings - so there is some level of improvement there).

Post: #57

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(10-14-2014 02:37 PM)silviophonic Wrote:  Yup. Subway game is a big part of my repertoire.

PROS:
1) Very good talent down there.
2) Targets are stationery, making the approach easier than trying to Yadstop a hottie on the street rushing to pilates class. As always, look neat, presentable, normal and cool. She's trapped with you underground, so comfort is key.

CONS:
The time pressure is enormous. You need to spit tight game and ramp up to the number close often within 5 minutes. The interaction could be going really well, she's giving you IOIs, her eyes are spazzing, then BOOM, it's her stop and she's gone like a thief in the night. At that point, my split-second strategy is to get her full name so I can Facebook close her later, but it ain't ideal.

PRO-TIP:
Girls are always glued to their smartphones, so a good opener I've found is: 'Are you getting reception down here?'
Also: complimenting her on an article of clothing, asking her about her smartphone ('is that the new iPhone 6?') or ebook. Basic elderly coffee shop chat described in 'Day Bang'.

Platform - Do you get on the same car, or a different car? Or a different train?

Exits have always been a stumbling point for public transit game.
WIA

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Post: #59

(10-14-2014 02:37 PM)silviophonic Wrote:  PRO-TIP:
Girls are always glued to their smartphones, so a good opener I've found is: 'Are you getting reception down here?'
Also: complimenting her on an article of clothing, asking her about her smartphone ('is that the new iPhone 6?') or ebook. Basic elderly coffee shop chat described in 'Day Bang'.

Brilliant opener.

This 49-yo guy is a great inspiration. You can tell he's on another level because he's approaching 28-yo girls and DNGAF.

Reminds me of something Gio posted (or maybe said on the CMQ podcast): If she's hot, I'm going to approach her.

Post: #60

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49yo guy meets 500lb woman on NYC subway

That's what my brain read the thread title as.

The guy reminds me of Ross Jeffries, lots of conversations/phone numbers but one has to wonder how often he actually seals the deal, and with whom.

Post: #61

(10-15-2014 02:50 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Quote:

(10-14-2014 02:37 PM)silviophonic Wrote:  Yup. Subway game is a big part of my repertoire.

PROS:
1) Very good talent down there.
2) Targets are stationery, making the approach easier than trying to Yadstop a hottie on the street rushing to pilates class. As always, look neat, presentable, normal and cool. She's trapped with you underground, so comfort is key.

CONS:
The time pressure is enormous. You need to spit tight game and ramp up to the number close often within 5 minutes. The interaction could be going really well, she's giving you IOIs, her eyes are spazzing, then BOOM, it's her stop and she's gone like a thief in the night. At that point, my split-second strategy is to get her full name so I can Facebook close her later, but it ain't ideal.

PRO-TIP:
Girls are always glued to their smartphones, so a good opener I've found is: 'Are you getting reception down here?'
Also: complimenting her on an article of clothing, asking her about her smartphone ('is that the new iPhone 6?') or ebook. Basic elderly coffee shop chat described in 'Day Bang'.

Platform - Do you get on the same car, or a different car? Or a different train?

Exits have always been a stumbling point for public transit game.
WIA

Platform game is slightly different:

1) You walk up and down the platform, looking for targets.
2) In my experience, many NYC subway platforms during the day are guaranteed to have at least one HB7 or above on it. So it's goldmine down there.
3) You open with a comment/compliment on their bag/clothes/hat, or if nothing jumps out I go elderly: 'Is this the local train?' is my go-to opener. If the weather's bad, I ask them 'has it stopped raining out there yet?'
4) If she's a 'no girl' she will answer quickly and end the interaction. If she's warm, she might ask what station I'm headed to, so she can be helpful. Rinse and repeat.
5) And yes, get on the train with her and continue the interaction inside the car. If you were picking up steam on the platform, she will be glad to continue the conversation on the train.

On the train:

1) I position myself close to the hotties. If there is an empty seat next to her, I take it.
2) If there is a 2 or 3 set talking in a foreign language, I open: 'Are guys Norwegian/French/etc.?' Just guess where they're from. Lots of tourist girls in NYC looking for adventure. Act fun and cool, and invite them to a bar or event you will be at later that week. Boom. Number close.
3) And yes, flaking will be heavy, but you were taking the train anyway, right? Might as well game. My conversion rate is better on the street than in the subway, but your mileage may vary. Something about meeting a rando on the train makes them more likely to flake. Go figure.

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Post: #63

Holy shit, Manhattan has more bangable girls--by far-- than anywhere else I've been in the USA. Plus they tend to be more sociable and friendly than one might think (I've never understood the stereotype of the "rude New Yorker" - doesn't correlate with my experience in the city).

I was on the subway today en route to the airport and noticed several girls giving me nonverbal IOIs. Didn't feel like cold approaching any of them but it was obvious that they wanted to be opened.

Example: had to wait about 10 minutes for an E train at 34th street (heard some unintelligible announcement about track problems) and made eye contact with this tall brunette in yoga pants about 30 feet away. Caught her looking at me, then she looked down, stroked her hair, and actually moved about 10 feet closer to me.

The Q70 bus from Jackson Heights to La Guardia airport is always loaded with hot girls too. I have used the "elderly" opener here a bunch of times, playing dumb - "is this the bus that goes to the (whatever) train?" Haven't gone beyond a number close in NYC yet just because my trips there are usually only 1 or 2 days to visit family.

I live too close to NYC not to take advantage of this. It's a short flight or half day bus/train ride for me. Logistics aren't bad if you have a halfway decent hotel room or Airbnb. I have to go back at least once more time this summer just to run game - this is too easy.

It probably helps that I'm tall, white, decently good looking, mid-30s, and dress preppy, but there are just so many available women in NYC that looks can't even matter that much. Just the sheer act of talking to a stranger on the street or the subway shows that you have balls and therefore, higher value than the 90% of men who "don't want to bother anyone."

Post: #64

The subway is actually a good way to day game (at least on the platforms) and certainly easier than doing it on the streets. It's something I've been trying for about a month now and have gotten some people into decent conversation with me. I have yet to get personal questions though, and certainly no numbers, so that's where it's gone so far.

As for the girls, you're right about the variety but I don't think many of them are all that friendly and most of the time I sense the hostile "don't disturb me" vibe. I think Manhattan is a place where the reactions of the women will vary wildly with the guy that approaches and some people will have better success than others. I'm a skinny black dude of average height and modest dress but that hasn't stopped me from daygaming and trying to chat up people.

Post: #65

Getting a number with super quick conversation means Shit. Girls will give it just for the excitement of the moment but taking time out of their busy day to meet with you, much less fuck you is a whole other story. He was probably riding the whole PUA GAme book trend at that time. Unless the girl was attracted to you physically right away, I'm guessing he had a super high flake rate. I used to get numbers and emails all the time on the BART in San Francisco Bay Area. Unless you made genuine connection AT THAT TIME or had tight email/follow up phone call game or you were their type, they're gonna flake. I say get the info but don't cut it too short. If they're tourists, it's not so much subway game he's playing, it's tourist game which is something I've said in many of my posts, are prime target markets to go after. But what's missing is his closing strategy. I had two instadates this week in Vegas but didn't close either of them. I'm not gonna go writing a book about it though.

Post: #66

Agreed re: the meaninglessness of the phone number.

The way I approach it is, have a quick interaction that's genuinely meaningful and fun, and act as if you aren't going for the number. Then notice how the girl behaves when you are about to end the interaction (because you're ending it first, right?).

a) she will look visibly confused that you are not asking for the number (lingering stare, looks like she's about to say something, etc.). Then you can come in with "oh yeah, give me your number and we'll hang soon".

b) she will say "hey take my number!"

c) nothing, she'll let you eject as usual. at this point if you haven't seen a) or b), consider just ejecting and considering it a fun state-building experience, and not a missed number opp.

Just some thoughts... on the subway there are time pressures, so I never feel bad if I don't even ask for a number. Only when it was an obvious a) that I missed.

Post: #67

I hope you'll forgive a little breakdown from me. Here's my perspective...

Who Else Wants A Breakdown of Subway Game?

First off, the subway is a veritable **training ground** for pickup.

It's like the police academy of game.

Also, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. All that's missing is alcohol and music.

Here are some reasons why the train is good.

1. Riding the train is generally uncomfortable, tense and boring. How is this good? Because your game will be a SHINING LIGHT in the dismal world of train-riders.

2. Most guys simply do not approach women on the train, and if they do, their game is **WEAK SAUCE**. As some people on this forum have pointed out, it takes "balls." GOOD. The field is wide open for guys with "balls."

3. There is a built-in time constraint. 5-10 minutes generally. Just enough time and she is gone and you get more prospects. Your prospects keep spawning. Keep em coming. Also just enough time to make an impact and give her the "I might never see this guy again" tingle.

4. Targets are literally SITTING DUCKS. They're immobile, guys. Not going anywhere.

5. By the way, even if everyone started approaching everyone, there would still be girls wondering, "Hey, why don't people hit on ME today?!"

P.S. You'll notice if you bring the right vibe to the train car, other people will start engaging in conversations with strangers. It's like you're changing the world for the better.



1. Be "THAT GUY". Be the sociable guy who wants to make friends. Own it. Don't pretend it was an accident.

2. Approach everyone at first, warm-up. Really get into state, and get your improvisational skills and vibe to peak levels. Subway game is good for this reason alone. You never know who you might meet anyway and it is fun. Stick to girls though.

3. Even if you suck, just get warmed-up and when it gets too bad, change cars.

4. Pretend to be lost (only for a little bit, then get into pure unadulterated game), give a blatant compliment, or do something situational. But **STAND out**. You cannot just be "the guy who hit on me on the train." You must be unforgettable.

Really make an impact.

Then the number will be LESS FLAKEY.

Mind you, it will still be flakey, you are a complete stranger from a train.

Is there a market of girls looking for adventure with a **complete stranger from a train**?

YES!

Even if your vibe is low-key, be intense.

Really get after it, guys.

People are tired, and do not want to deal with bullshit. No weak attempts. Take on full responsibility of the interaction.

Take them on a roller-coaster ride that makes them get off, dizzily, asking, "Who the fuck was that and where can I get more??"

They need someone who will light up their gray world of shattered city dreams that becomes really apparent in a rush-hour train ride.

PRO-TIP: Match a person's state first, then, lead them to where you want.

4. You can use a prop to help you, like a crossword, and ask for help with a clue. It's a good icebreaker.

5. If you bomb super bad, change cars.

Guys, if nothing else, the subway is good for practice for when you go out. The numbers will be flakey, but you might make a friend here or there. Your state will be through the roof, you'll get numbers, business cards, "emails," see people light up and generally brighten the world with your unabashed boldness.


PLEASE!


OK.

I'm going to go on to this last part, the piéce de résistance. This is the crown jewel of subway game and that is when...

You Must Push For The Insta-Date™"

Guys, this is it. If you want a chance to make something of Subway Game™, it is my opinion that you must push for an insta-date.

Here's how.

1. Time it: Once you have made an unforgettable impact, only then, find out where she gets off then say

"Hey, what are you doing RIGHT NOW."

Check her response. Don't even wait for her to reply, if she falters, hesitates, push on:

"Hey, grab a drink with me real quick." "Just two minutes." "Right here."

Say whatever you need to say. Lie if you must.

Say you know a spot at her stop even if you don't.

Real quick.

Say you're two stops down and you'll grab a cab anyway, even if you're not.

They will be flattered and impressed at your boldness, regardless. If they're not, they suck. Because what you're doing is awesome.

2. If you sense any yielding at all, take control. Lead her to a coffee a shop, but preferably a *bar*. Any bar will do. Mind you this is at some point in the evening. And order a drink and escalate to a million.

The key is, you are not waiting for a definite yes or a definite no.

What you are looking for is **uncertainty**." You are looking for a **wavering**. You are looking for

Any Inkling That She is Asking Herself What To Do.

This is your signal to go all the way in.

3. Play the desire card. Like you must have her right now.

4. If you get off at the same stop, that's perfect.

Really PUSH IT. 99/100 times they will say no. Keep pushing until you get the Second Thought.

That's all you need. You don't need the order yet, just the appointment. You don't need the yes, just the shadow of a doubt.

Make her get totally lost in the moment.

Escalate right there in the train to show your intent. Let her Know **for sure** you want her, right now.

When she hesitates, push her over the edge. She's done. Yours.

Then at the bar, continue escalating toward a cab back to your place under whatever pretense. Hint: You have drugs is the easiest.

Or say you have to go, but you should hang out again. The number will be very solid now.

It should be very easy to get her back to your place, she will be in a dream at this point.


P.S. Regardless of whether you do the insta-date™ as described, you will get a lot of good practice in on the train.

Post: #68

(06-20-2015 09:48 PM)Lights Wrote:  I hope you'll forgive a little breakdown from me. Here's my perspective...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Who Else Wants A Breakdown of Subway Game?

First off, the subway is a veritable **training ground** for pickup.

It's like the police academy of game.

Also, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. All that's missing is alcohol and music.

Here are some reasons why the train is good.

1. Riding the train is generally uncomfortable, tense and boring. How is this good? Because your game will be a SHINING LIGHT in the dismal world of train-riders.

2. Most guys simply do not approach women on the train, and if they do, their game is **WEAK SAUCE**. As some people on this forum have pointed out, it takes "balls." GOOD. The field is wide open for guys with "balls."

3. There is a built-in time constraint. 5-10 minutes generally. Just enough time and she is gone and you get more prospects. Your prospects keep spawning. Keep em coming. Also just enough time to make an impact and give her the "I might never see this guy again" tingle.

4. Targets are literally SITTING DUCKS. They're immobile, guys. Not going anywhere.

5. By the way, even if everyone started approaching everyone, there would still be girls wondering, "Hey, why don't people hit on ME today?!"

P.S. You'll notice if you bring the right vibe to the train car, other people will start engaging in conversations with strangers. It's like you're changing the world for the better.

Now, what is our strategy?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Be "THAT GUY". Be the sociable guy who wants to make friends. Own it. Don't pretend it was an accident.

2. Approach everyone at first, warm-up. Really get into state, and get your improvisational skills and vibe to peak levels. Subway game is good for this reason alone. You never know who you might meet anyway and it is fun. Stick to girls though.

3. Even if you suck, just get warmed-up and when it gets too bad, change cars.

4. Pretend to be lost (only for a little bit, then get into pure unadulterated game), give a blatant compliment, or do something situational. But **STAND out**. You cannot just be "the guy who hit on me on the train." You must be unforgettable.

Really make an impact.

Then the number will be LESS FLAKEY.

Mind you, it will still be flakey, you are a complete stranger from a train.

Is there a market of girls looking for adventure with a **complete stranger from a train**?

YES!

Even if your vibe is low-key, be intense.

Really get after it, guys.

People are tired, and do not want to deal with bullshit. No weak attempts. Take on full responsibility of the interaction.

Take them on a roller-coaster ride that makes them get off, dizzily, asking, "Who the fuck was that and where can I get more??"

They need someone who will light up their gray world of shattered city dreams that becomes really apparent in a rush-hour train ride.

PRO-TIP: Match a person's state first, then, lead them to where you want.

4. You can use a prop to help you, like a crossword, and ask for help with a clue. It's a good icebreaker.

5. If you bomb super bad, change cars.

Guys, if nothing else, the subway is good for practice for when you go out. The numbers will be flakey, but you might make a friend here or there. Your state will be through the roof, you'll get numbers, business cards, "emails," see people light up and generally brighten the world with your unabashed boldness.

However. Wait One Minute Please.

PLEASE!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

OK.

I'm going to go on to this last part, the piéce de résistance. This is the crown jewel of subway game and that is when...

You Must Push For The Insta-Date™"

Guys, this is it. If you want a chance to make something of Subway Game™, it is my opinion that you must push for an insta-date.

Here's how.

1. Time it: Once you have made an unforgettable impact, only then, find out where she gets off then say

"Hey, what are you doing RIGHT NOW."

Check her response. Don't even wait for her to reply, if she falters, hesitates, push on:

"Hey, grab a drink with me real quick." "Just two minutes." "Right here."

Say whatever you need to say. Lie if you must.

Say you know a spot at her stop even if you don't.

Real quick.

Say you're two stops down and you'll grab a cab anyway, even if you're not.

They will be flattered and impressed at your boldness, regardless. If they're not, they suck. Because what you're doing is awesome.

2. If you sense any yielding at all, take control. Lead her to a coffee a shop, but preferably a *bar*. Any bar will do. Mind you this is at some point in the evening. And order a drink and escalate to a million.

The key is, you are not waiting for a definite yes or a definite no.

What you are looking for is **uncertainty**." You are looking for a **wavering**. You are looking for

Any Inkling That She is Asking Herself What To Do.

This is your signal to go all the way in.

3. Play the desire card. Like you must have her right now.

4. If you get off at the same stop, that's perfect.

Really PUSH IT. 99/100 times they will say no. Keep pushing until you get the Second Thought.

That's all you need. You don't need the order yet, just the appointment. You don't need the yes, just the shadow of a doubt.

Make her get totally lost in the moment.

Escalate right there in the train to show your intent. Let her Know **for sure** you want her, right now.

When she hesitates, push her over the edge. She's done. Yours.

Then at the bar, continue escalating toward a cab back to your place under whatever pretense. Hint: You have drugs is the easiest.

Or say you have to go, but you should hang out again. The number will be very solid now.

It should be very easy to get her back to your place, she will be in a dream at this point.

And so on.

P.S. Regardless of whether you do the insta-date™ as described, you will get a lot of good practice in on the train.

Good luck. And Happy Hunting.

Lights, I initially was going to just write off your post as whatever, another PUA coach wannabe to get flakey numbers but your last part showed me you did have some skill. As someone who has met his last 3 gfs (on street) with one of them from an instadate, I agree with your mindset to push for instadate. But then I'd like to hear your thoughts on logistics details. For example, if you're riding the subway in an area of town that isn't the prettiest, good luck trying to close a girl in the ghetto part of town UNLESS YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ALL THE BARS NEAR THE SUBWAY STOPS FOR A CERTAIN LINE. If you do, then props to you as that shows me you did your homework. But is this the case? Or are you going for full blown spur of the moment serendipity where it doesn't matter where you are and you're pushing for instafuck, which means you're gonna lose some of the girls. If this is the case, I still give you props for that strategy. I've tried it and girls who initially agreed to instadate were not down with instafuck. Plus, unless you're a baller, not knowing the specific places to go can easily drain your budget because you'll be at the whim of whatever bar/cafe/restaurant happens to be near the subway stop. A girl might be up for adventure but if you're walking around for awhile searching for a cheap spot raises more probability of her losing her "state/buying temperature/whatever" So you just end up paying the $20 or more for two drinks with no closing F-spot.

The only practical way I see this happening is you know a specific line that yields good results at certain times of the day where you know the bars near the subway stops so can make it seem spontaneous when really it's part of your closing strategy. But then you don't need the subway for this, you just need any place.

Curious to hear your thoughts. I'm always looking to learn but will admit when I'm wrong but will also call bullshit when I think I see it.

If you can give at least one concrete example of you doing this and FUCKING THE GIRL, not just practicing talking to a girl and getting her number (which you'll find gets old after you've gotten tons of numbers and they don't convert)

Oh final note, do you have a job and/or exercise? In order to replicate your strategy, you need to have a lot of energy and having a regular job can easily zap this. If you work out regularly and/or a younger guy, I can see someone working this but then you need to have eaten earlier in the day to have this energy, otherwise it can dissipate at point of sale. I am speaking from experience here.

Peace fellow hunter

Post: #69

(06-21-2015 03:03 PM)fucksong Wrote:  Lights, I initially was going to just write off your post as whatever, another PUA coach wannabe to get flakey numbers but your last part showed me you did have some skill. As someone who has met his last 3 gfs (on street) with one of them from an instadate, I agree with your mindset to push for instadate.

But then I'd like to hear your thoughts on logistics details.

For example,

1. if you're riding the subway in an area of town that isn't the prettiest, good luck trying to close a girl in the ghetto part of town UNLESS YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ALL THE BARS NEAR THE SUBWAY STOPS FOR A CERTAIN LINE.

If you do, then props to you as that shows me you did your homework.

2. But is this the case? Or are you going for full blown spur of the moment serendipity where it doesn't matter where you are and you're pushing for instafuck, which means you're gonna lose some of the girls.

If this is the case, I still give you props for that strategy. I've tried it and girls who initially agreed to instadate were not down with instafuck. Plus, unless you're a baller, not knowing the specific places to go can easily drain your budget because you'll be at the whim of whatever bar/cafe/restaurant happens to be near the subway stop. A girl might be up for adventure but if you're

3. walking around for awhile searching for a cheap spot

raises more probability of her losing her "state/buying temperature/whatever" So you just end up paying the $20 or more for two drinks with

5. no closing F-spot.

The only practical way I see this happening is you know a

6. specific line that yields good results at certain times of the day

where you

7. know the bars near the subway stops

so can make it seem spontaneous when really it's part of your closing strategy.

8. But then you don't need the subway for this, you just need any place.

Curious to hear your thoughts. I'm always looking to learn but will admit when I'm wrong but will also call bullshit when I think I see it.

9. If you can give at least one concrete example of you doing this and FUCKING THE GIRL, not just practicing talking to a girl and getting her number (which you'll find gets old after you've gotten tons of numbers and they don't convert)

10. Oh final note, do you have a job and/or exercise? In order to replicate your strategy, you need to have a lot of energy and having a regular job can easily zap this. If you work out regularly and/or a younger guy, I can see someone working this but then you need to have eaten earlier in the day to have this energy, otherwise it can dissipate at point of sale. I am speaking from experience here.

Peace fellow hunter

Hey, really good response. I appreciate the props, by the way, thanks. I like talking about this stuff.

Also, I am happy to be called out on any bullshit. Any two cents I give is based on real world experience.

That being said, I identified about ten key points/questions in your response that I can answer based on my experience that will drill down onto the finer points of "Subway Game™" and (it's my intention) provide some useful, actionable tips, not only for you, of course, but also for others who might be interested, lurking, whatever.

So rather than half-ass it and post a quick response right now, I'll make it presentable and really try to offer some nitty-gritty, no bullshit, specific strategy based on experience. Not some pie in the sky theorizing.

Give me a day or two and I'll have it up. Stay tuned.

Post: #70

Thanks man, much appreciated. I know there may be a lot of guys here who just asking a girl for a number in public, much less on the subway, is such an impossible feat that just doing that represents a great accomplishment which I will always give props to anybody pushing themselves but for those of us who've already been through that, at some point, you want to actually be fucking girls, not just getting contact info for a momentary ego boost.

As someone who's been on multiple "instadates", I can say that logistics are integral to success. You can find a keen girl but if you don't have anywhere to fuck, then I'd argue it's almost a waste of time unless you really, really liked the girl and she's local. This doesn't just apply to subway but any day game area one chooses to hunt in. If you don't have a coffee shop, bar, your place, etc to pull to from a high traffic location, you're gonna be spinning your wheels.

Post: #71

1. My experience is in New York and Chicago transit systems. In other cities with less dense network of public trans I have used “Do You Need a Ride Game™”
2. Optimal time to subway game is 6pm and later.
3. It’s going to take a lot of energy, if you push for the insta-date. Even more energy if you push for the SNL.
4. You can do it on the way home from work.

But then I’d like to hear your thoughts on logistic details.

Ok.

1. If you’re riding the subway in an area of town that isn’t the prettiest, good luck trying to close a girl in the ghetto part of town UNLESS YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW ALL THE BARS NEAR THE SUBWAY STOPS FOR A CERTAIN LINE.

Right.

Let’s say you’re on the L train in New York. I wouldn’t know all the bars at every stop, but I know one or two at some of the stops.

So know a couple at like 3 or 4 stops.

Here’s the thing, even if you don’t know of a few bars, the girl might offer a suggestion of a better bar.

Because it’s her stop.

If you’ve done your job of convincing her, she might take her own initiative and suggest a better bar than yours.

This has happened to me a couple times.

You may have to take a *quick* cab or walk a little bit, which adds to the adventure factor and time distortion.

If you don’t know a specific spot, just say you do and wing it.

Use Google maps to quickly hone in on a venue *if you must* and start walking.

Walk like you know where the fuck you’re going.

I live in North Dakota at the moment, but I did a quick Google search and Thrillist recently made a helpful map for Chicago and Brooklyn denoting bars that are nearby subway stops.

Chicago.

   

Brooklyn.

   


Also, if you go to google maps, type in your city, hit the transit button, then search again for "bars," it will show a dot map of bars and you can see how close they are to each train stop. Here's one for Brooklyn.


   


Duck into any place and say, “Let’s go in here.” Act like you know it.

If it becomes kind of apparent I was lying but I find it doesn’t really matter as long as I am searching for the place.

At that point it doesn’t matter, she might know what you’re up to but you can play it off anyway.

2. But is this the case? Or are you going for full blown spur of the moment serendipity where it doesn’t matter where you are and you’re pushing for instafuck, which means you’re gonna lose some of the girls.

In the case of the girl that I did instafuck™, we ended up clicking well at the bar and I pushed her to take me back to her place. She said no a bunch of times and then finally succumbed.

With her, it was normal LMR though, not I just met you on a train an hour ago LMR.

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Once you’re above ground at the venue, then you gauge for how far you want to push it.

You escalate normally.

See, the whole dynamic has changed now.

You’re not a stranger anymore.

Time has been totally distorted.

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Now, you must either

A.Solidify and legitimize the situation by putting in time and playing the romance/desire vibe, then set up another date at another time, or

B. Push hard for the instafuck™, full-blown desire mode, which takes a lot of energy and risk getting blown out [but you might not get blown out, just momentarily denied], or

C. Put it on ice and nurture the lead [and possibly having her contact you a few months down the road, which I mention because it has happened to me.]

Keep pushing, keep escalating, once at the venue, but realize when it isn’t going to happen, fold your hand and set up another date.

It will still be a hot lead.

If there is still doubt and wavering on her part, then double down and push to take her back to your place/her place.

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Last year, out of the blue, a girl hit me up wanting to meet up from a subway instadate™ that went nowhere at the time, that had happened months ago.

Why is this?

The half-life of an instadate™, especially a subway instadate™ is super-long compared to an easy number close.

To use a sales analogy, a subway instadate™ lead is a good quality, **hot** lead because it leaves a nearly indelible mark on a person.

Granted, that lead still might require some further nurturing to bear fruit later on.

As a general principle, does it even need to be said?

The more of an impact you have on a person, the longer they’ll remember you.

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Even if you push for the instafuck™ real fast, and **rush it**, take shortcuts, it might backfire on you if you don’t put in the requisite time.

You should establish a certain amount of equity:

-2-3 hours and time distortion
-Change venues
-Comfort
-Rapport
-Et cetera.

Exception to this, is if she is down for a fling, which I haven’t encountered. I always come across resistance.

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In these spontaneous situations, OVERWHELM HER with desire. Desire is the magic. I want to be UNFORGETTABLE. You need her to think days later, after encounters with the same blasé people,

"Damn, that guy was **special**.

That’s what I’m going for. That’s what you should be going for too.

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If you push for the “instafuck,” you’re going to lose some of the girls. That’s part of the game.

I’ve pushed for the instafuck and got it. Once in New York and once in Chicago.

I’ve lost girls altogether because they were so bewildered at what happened they just ignored me after that. Later on, when their logic brain kicks in, it might blow their reality away if you don’t legitimize it and put some time in to “normalize” it.

You normalize it by inserting a rationalization in her brain, putting a logical explanation in their for her to refer back to later. An excuse.

Whether you go for the all out in-the-moment serendipitous vibe – I’m using your terminology because you seem to “get it” and that is the vibe I’m going for—is totally about how much energy you can put into it.

Like you say, it does sap a lot of energy.

3. Walking around searching for a cheap spot.

You should plan on spending $10-20USD anyway.

Any bar will do here. I’m not looking for a **cheap spot**. I’m looking for any spot I can duck into that serves alcohol.

4. No closing F-spot.

You do have a closing F-spot:

Your place or her place.

Hop in a cab.

5. Specific line that yields good results at certain times of the day.

My experience is on the New York L line to Brooklyn. And the Chicago Blue Line.

New Yorkers usually keep a more rigid schedule, are more wary of strangers, you’ll have a hard time convincing people to alter their routine. So try to make it as easy for them as possible and stress the fact that it will be fast, even though it probably won’t.

Certainly, in many places, subway game is not viable.

In Chicago, for example, I got a girl to go way out of her way to a bar with me. It’s more laid back there.

And yes, you should know a line that you take regularly so that you develop a system and get to know. At least be vaguely familiar with it.

The best time to do the whole shebang and have a shot for an insta-fuck™ is in the evening, 6pm and later, during the week, when people are generally headed home.

Any earlier and you generally will have to set up another date. It is nighttime that breeds romance and adventure and weird possibilities, I find.

6. But then you don’t need the subway for this, you just need any place.

But this is about Subway Game™

Plus, we aren’t looking for any old place, we are looking for the best place.

We are trying to optimize our game.

Just like Roosh’s Club/Bar Vortex Zone™, the sweet spot in the bar.

The Subway is like the Vortex Zone of daygame.

In my OP, I listed the advantages of a Subway. At the end of this post, I’ll list some more.

It’s like a 24 hour daygame spot.

7. Know the bars near the subway stops.

Yeah, know them, but even if you don’t know exactly, just wing it.

Desire and enthusiasm and bullshit takes you a long way.

9. If you can give at least one concrete example of you doing this and FUCKING THE GIRL, not just practicing talking to a girl and getting her number (which you'll find gets old after you've gotten tons of numbers and they don't convert)

Yeah, I met a girl on a train platform in Chicago. If I recall correctly, it was the Green Line in the South Loop. It was like 9-10pm on a Tuesday. She was indecisive, I convinced her to come with me to a bar that was totally out of the way.

I was a little drunk. Very enthusiastic.

We had to do a bunch of walking but we were talking the whole time.

It was cold.

She suggested another bar nearby that was better. Ran regular night bar game. A couple hours later, we went back to her house.

Never got her number or anything.

That was an easy one, though. I don't want to come across as bragging, but I want to drive the point home that it can be done.Point is it can definitely be done.



10. Oh final note, do you have a job and/or exercise? In order to replicate your strategy, you need to have a lot of energy and having a regular job can easily zap this. If you work out regularly and/or a younger guy, I can see someone working this but then you need to have eaten earlier in the day to have this energy, otherwise it can dissipate at point of sale. I am speaking from experience here.

Caveat: This is incredibly draining. It's true. My strategy is to use the train as a training ground for practicing talking to strangers.

In New York, I would run Subway Game™ after work on my ride home. I wouldn't always go for insta-dates, but I would always talk to people.

Rarely did I get the insta-date, but it did happen a few times.

I'm a low-key guy, amassing the energy it takes to do this successfully is hard. But the practice I get and the state pump I get from doing the process is so good it's worth it.

I'll go on the train and say "OK, I'm going to do this."

It's just a matter of targetingthe right prospect and PUSHING.

Rarely did I get the insta-fuck. Twice.

Also, some of the numbers I got on the train did convert.


Bonus: As someone who's been on multiple "instadates", I can say that logistics are integral to success. You can find a keen girl but if you don't have anywhere to fuck, then I'd argue it's almost a waste of time unless you really, really liked the girl and she's local. This doesn't just apply to subway but any day game area one chooses to hunt in. If you don't have a coffee shop, bar, your place, etc to pull to from a high traffic location, you're gonna be spinning your wheels.

I see the logistics is a main issue so I'll address it really fast.

In Chicago, no matter where I was at in the city, I could get home in a cab in around 15 minutes.

New York is the same. If you get off at her stop, you know her place is nearby and your place should be the same.

Cabs are life-savers.

That's all the logistics I need. Enough so if I grab a cab I can be somewhere within 2-15mins.

Advantages of subway game:

-You have a lot of bored people.
-They are sitting around, begging for distraction.
-You have no competition.
-You have many targets.
-You have targets coming and going.
-They have no real agenda, they are simply “in transit”.
-You can open/approach, scan a bunch of people, gauge them, before committing to one person.
-You can stay on the platform and practice before getting on the train.
-You won’t have to run after anyone, they are immobile.
-You have the opportunity to “stand out” and be remembered. People always remember being approached on the train. At a bar, not so much.
-They are on they’re way home.
-97% of New Yorkers are transplants/tourists who are open to some New York adventure.
-They are already out and on a “journey,” you can harness that energy and reroute it.

   

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er, ok.

Post: #73

Solid info man. +1 from me

Post: #74

One has to be careful using that subway map feature . I would never bring a girl to some of the stops in Brooklyn, or would be fairly unlikely to run into an attractive one.

Post: #75

How do you guys overcome the headphone dilemma? The girl in yellow dress in your pick is banging hot but I always struggle approaching girls who are wearing headphones and on top of that playing on their cell phones. They seem so disinterested talking with others and paying any attention. Any good lines to use?